Where Does Helenius Rank in Terms of Wilder Opponents?

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  1. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People (not me, I got it completely wrong) didn't rank Helenius very high. I thought it would be one of Wilder's better wins. I'd rank it 5th.

    For me, I'd rank Wilders resume as follows:
    1. Ortiz
    2. Stiverne
    3. Arreola
    4. Duhaupas
    5. Helenius
     
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  2. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Helenius, for numerous reasons, has been a big disappointment overall.
     
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  3. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of wins???

    I mean... Top 5 I guess but that doesn't mean much considering Duhapaus is like number 3.. ffs. Abysmal resumé
     
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  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Another thread about how bad Wilder's resume is. Very original. Like this topic hasn't been discussed 100's of times on this very site already. Did you know the sky is blue , fire's hot and water is wet?
     
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  5. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Tyson Fury (Draw)
    2. Luis Ortiz
    3. Bermane Stiverne
    4. Chris Arreola
    5. Johann Duhaupas
    6. Dominic Breazeale
    7. Gerald Washington
    8. Robert Helenius
    9. Artur Szpilka
    10. Eric Molina
     
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  6. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where did I crap on his resume? It's a legit question.
     
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  7. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't rate Breazeale higher. He beat absolutely no one of note.

    I guess you could make an argument for Washington since he beat Helenius but Helenius has a better resume than Washington.
     
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  8. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Best performances:

    1. Fury I
    2. Ortiz I
    3. Ortiz II
    4. Fury III (too heavy)
    5. Stiverne I
    6. Helenius
    7. Braezeale

    It's not a great resume of wins, everyone knows that. Wilder went all-in on beating Fury and only managed one draw in three fights. He needs a victory over either Joshua or Usyk to really tidy up his resume. Joyce would be a great scalp, too, but I can't see that fight happening.
     
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  9. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    My bad. I was commenting on another guy's post in the thread.
     
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  10. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Breazeale win looked better at the time than it does now.
     
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  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I rate him #4 after Ortiz, Stiverne, and Washington. Maybe #5 after Duhaupas, although I do think Helenius' high end (which we did not see last night) is higher.
     
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  12. drenlou

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    Number 5 or 6 sounds about right.
     
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  13. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You rate Arreola out of the top 5? I think he did more than Washington, I know he has a lot of losses but he's probably have the same resume if not better than Washington if he faced the same fighters. He arguably beat Kownacki who absolutely butchered Washington.
     
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  14. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It makes laugh robustly everytime I see this supposed HOFer has Duhapaus and Stiverne in his top 5 wins lmao
     
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  15. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Wilder is a HOFer but his career isn't over yet.
     
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