Wilder v Helenius: A farce

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  1. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder WBC #1 was matched against WBC#10 Helenius.

    Whilst they overlooked Frank Sanchez WBC #4 who fought on the same card last night!

    Solution: WBC quietly kept nudging Helenius up the rankings month on month, but he was always behind Sanchez...

    Even so, why did Helenius even take this fight? He already won a WBA eliminator against Kownacki. So why did he abandon that route to the title? That in itself should ring alarm bells.

    So, what did we get? An overweight patsy in Helenius (a friend and sparring partner) lummoxing forward with his hands down, with many now claiming the KO looked suspiciously like a dive...

    I hope you didn't but the PPV. They had your pants down. Heck they did a number on all of us with that "eliminator"
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Why are people surprised by this? The whole event was a shameless confidence bolstering ritual, where the outcome was essentially a foregone conclusion. There was no dive, Helenius was violently knocked out by Gerald Washington and Johann Duhaupas, neither known for their punching power. His chin is terrible, so yes a glancing blow that he literally threw his chin into, could do that kind of damage to a guy with that fragile a mandible. I found this whole debacle distasteful from the moment it was announced.
     
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  3. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh I'm not surprised, this is the WBC afterall. But it certainly annoys me how often a blind eye is turned to their open corruption because they hold "the green belt" that Ali had. It's one thing after another with them

    You nailed it with "shameless"
     
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  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Yeah, but it was a come back fight after taking 2 consecutive beatings. Confidence builder type of fight. You don't think Wildet deserved a soft touch?
     
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  5. kirk

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    Why does everyone act like Helenius got caught walking forward with his hands down.

    He got caught actively trying to throw the right hand. He lunged in to throw and Wilder anticipated it and intercepted him coming in.

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    Anyways, ya the WBC/PBC angled for this fight to happen.

    The why is an easy answer. It's an in house fight against a relatively known name with a glass jaw in a win win win situation.

    Win because the fight will end in KO for one of them. Win if Wilder wins as he's the bigger name and sets up the Ruiz fight. Win if Helenius wins because they will feed him to Ruiz.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    What was really shameless was charging $75 for this. This was always just an easy come back fight for Wilder which is fine considering he'd come off 2 brutal losses to Fury and people were questioning if he'd be the same. But to put it on PPV and for that much was outrageous. This was always going to be an early KO of Helenius and never going to be competitive. I hoped the PPV bombed badly and they lost money on it.
     
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  7. Trafford

    Trafford Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The money is drying up on Fox and Showtime for PBC. Anything even half watchable is PPV going forward. We got Martin vs Ortiz on PPV for gods sake.
     
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  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah that was another shocking PPV. Heard that did less than 25K buys which isn't a surprise. I honestly have to question anybodies common sense if they paid for either of these PPV's.
     
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  9. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn't specifically say for the KO. But, sure, in the sequence that led to the KO he had his chin up in the air, leaning forward and was pulling his guard hand back to his waist with each punch. Not exactly the most defensively responsible approach against the biggest hitter in the division.

    As for match making, it wasn't win-win for Helenius, though. If he went the WBA route he likely only had to fight one of Dubois, Hunter, Hughie Fury to get a title shot. Compare to fighting Wilder followed by Ruiz/Ortiz.

    Sure it was win-win for the PBC, but not for Helenius. He knew what he was there for, and it wasn't to make waves.
     
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  10. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    I'd happily watch Wilder mop the canvas with Sánchez.
     
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  11. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haha, sure he can take a soft touch, no problems with that.

    But they made this a title eliminator at the expense of several higher ranked fighters
     
    Finkel, Oct 17, 2022
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  12. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, it's a shame, PBC/WBC didn't

    When they put together their 4-Man PBC eliminator they clearly didn't fancy it.
     
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  13. BenUndertheradar

    BenUndertheradar New Member Full Member

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    His next fight, Steve from Kent.
     
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  14. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    If I were PBC and wanting to make a PPV, I guess I'd balk at putting Sánchez in a headline spot. At least Wilder-Helenius, a clash of two punchers, could be sold as a shootout.
     
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  15. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's had a career of 'soft touches'.
     
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