What about Deontay Wilder vs. Joe Frazier?

Smoking Joe Frazier smokes out Deontay Wilder in about 8 rounds, not even Wilder's stare can rattle Frazier who has been in with better opposition. That immense pressure from a train roaring down the track that is a 1970 Frazier would be too much for the wafer thin torso of Wilder. Yeah, Wilder would connect but stopping that train that was pre Fight Of The Century, it would not be possible to blunt Frazier as those body bending left hooks by Smoking Joe would prove too much. A gassed Wilder folds like a deck of playing cards in round 8, as the referee has to literally peel Joe off of Deontay. Too much credit for Wilder because of his KO of Helenius, he is not any where near a peak 1970 Frazier who turned out the lights of Jimmy Ellis.

 

It would had to have been Joe for me.

A terrible stylistic match up for Deontay.

 

He’d have had to have found it though.

Which would have been extremely difficult for him.

Joe would have been an incredibly elusive target.

 

You have to focus on the stylistic match up though.

IMHO, George was stronger than Deontay, and he clearly had the inside game that Deontay doesn’t possess.

He manoeuvred Joe into positions where he could use his great uppercuts etc.

Deontay has no inside game.

He needs a lot of time and space in order to set up his huge power punches.

His knockout of Helenius was impressive, but Helenius is a 6’6 guy who comes in straight lines. Whereas Joe was a 5’10 guy who bobbed and weaved his way inside.

Joe would have been on him like a rash, where he’d have limited Deontay’s time and space, which would have presented him with an extremely elusive target.

You say that it would only have taken a few bombs, but you have to think about how difficult it would have been for Deontay to have landed them.

 

Deontay hasn’t got George’s strength or inside game though.

You’re talking about 2 completely different fighters.

 

He didn’t need much space or leverage at the weekend, and it was very impressive. But at the same time, you’re comparing a 6’6 Helenius walking straight to him, with a 5’10 bobbing and weaving Frazier.

Two completely different kinds of targets.

 

I know but that wasn’t my point. People are criticizing wilder for lack of a jab when it didn’t necessarily take one to beat Frazier. And wilder is pretty damn big and strong

 

Oh Joe was done LONG before the sixth knockdown, but he never submitted. As a matter of fact he tries to push the referee away to go at Foreman some more after the final knockdown.

This is all a deviation from the main argument though, that Foreman didn't use his jab to beat Frazier when it was one of two major components of his game plan. Wilder had neither.

 

Frazier deserves to be the favorite going in to this fight, but it is getting as bad stylistically as it gets.

If you are managing a swarmer, don't send them in against the best slugger in the division, unless it is absolutely unavoidable.

Hope that the cuties will eliminate that slugger for you, as they very frequently do.

 

Foreman DID use the jab but it was the hooking crosses and upper cuts that did the damage. Also four out of five of those knockdowns were caused by right hands. Foreman did most of his best work from mid range which wilder does too. I’ll also note that at 6’3” George towered over Frazier. At 6’7” wilder would absolutely dwarf him.

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Being 6’7 wouldn’t have been an advantage for Wilder.

 

The bigger Joe’s opponents got the more trouble he had with them. He’d have a hard time landing that hook to the head of wilder and it would lose some of its sting on the way up.

 

Of course. But he’d have gotten inside and targeted the body.

Now look from Wilder’s perspective:

Look at the angles etc, without an inside game and the great uppercut that George possessed.

Dwarfing Frazier with how their styles would have meshed, would have put him at a severe disadvantage.

 

Do you think Frazier would be completely impervious to getting hit or hurt against wilder ?

 

A "one trick pony" that has 10 title defenses. Tell me again how many fighters has 10 title defenses. As of now he has 2 losses to "1" fighter, a Great fighter at that I might add. Lets see where the rest of his career goes. If he were to go on to conquer Ruiz, Usyk and Joshua I'm sure you and countless others will have nothing but negative comments to spew. I have seen improvements with the addition of Malik Scott in his corner. Try giving the man some credit for a change. Im curious to know what your opinion of Floyd Mayweather is