What would be done about the end of the Buchanan vs Duran bout if they fought today?

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  1. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As soon as it was clear that Buchanan had been fouled - i.e. shortly after the referee stopped the fight - would the bout be deemed a no contest with Buchanan retaining the title and a rematch being ordered?
     
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    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Isn’t the rule on a low blow you get up to 5 minutes to continue or you lose if that expires and you’re unable/unwilling?

    I don’t think it would be a DQ because (a) it wasn’t called so at the time, (b) it wasn’t a case of Duran having been penalized multiple times for low blows and (c) it wasn’t seen as a deliberate foul.
     
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    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The ref didn't see anything lol He watched a replay & said "The punch bell landed on the bell & perfectly legal" ROFL The Corruption is nothing new
     
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    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t see any corruption here. Even on the video we see Buchanan’s reaction but you can’t really tell what happened in full speed on first view. Why? Because the camera is behind Duran (with Buchanan in front of him) … just as the referee is behind Duran — in fact, the ref is trying to restrain Duran because the exchange happened after the bell and they’re still going at it … and Buchanan threw the first punch that landed after the bell, which set off the extra-curricular exchange.

    A referee is not all-seeing. He cannot see through the body of the man he is behind. To call it corruption is intellectually dishonest.

    EDIT: Reading up on it, the ref said after the fight he thought it was a body shot. After seeing replays his opinion changed, but that wasn’t in the immediate aftermath but sometime in the days after. It was a different world — they didn’t have TV monitors set up and film from every angle where commissions went to the film to make calls … this is before the ‘instant replay’ era.
     
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    Corruption wouldn't have been on the side of Duran you'd think, he was a virtual nobody at the time.

    Admittedly the ref was very lenient on Duran throughout the fight.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kenny reckons he can't have a p1ss without being reminded of Duran and those foul protectors offer no protection at all or at least mine didn't.
    The Scot chased a rematch and never had a problem with the scales so didn't have to go up in weight the way Duran did.
    Maybe Duran thought there were easier pickings around before he relinquished the title.
    The fair thing to do at the time would be to have let Buchanan recover before finishing the fight.Duran's last punches were definitely low but the claim of a knee was a bit dubious.
    It was Kenny's only stoppage loss and rankled with him.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm quick to point out any corruption in boxing because it's seldom the boxers fault.
    In this case I don't see any corruption just a mistake by the referee.
     
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    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree about the ref. And yes Ken would have been given time out today.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Looking at the photos and the film footage, the low blows aren't even border line.
    Fair enough if you're in close and your opponent pushing your head down like Ali used to do but Duran can't use that excuse
     
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    Today we'd have a million angles of it and we wouldn't be debating what happened. So many sporting event questions would be answered if we'd had today's cameras then (1966 World Cup being the biggest one probably).
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    VAR would f*ck it up though.
    I think that goal in the '66 cup final will still be debated in 2066.
    Definitely in though ;)
     
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    Duran manager Carlos Eleta Panama multi millionaire industrial magnat well connected to corrupt Panama government for many years & connection to WBA base in Panama. Duran was high in WBA rankings. not nobody in this match. & was invested in.

    but I agree it is probable honest error. or the incompetence. on this foul.
     
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  13. DavidC77

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    But he wouldn't have been given time out if the low blow wasn't noticed.

    It wasn't noticed in this case, the referee said it was a legal blow and wouldn't let Buchanan out for the 14th even though he wanted to continue.
     
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    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There's no debate about the 1966 World Cup Final goal.

    There is an angle that clearly shows the ball bouncing on the line.

    I saw a programme about this in the 90's. The footage was shown at a banquet after the World Cup that was attended by all the England players and the film was subsequently hidden for 30 years...

    Every player from the 1966 squad knew from that moment on that the ball never crossed the line and any of them who have since claimed that it did or that it's a mystery that hasn't been solved were lying.
     
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    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is the angle that showed what happened and it was hushed up for thirty years.

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    There is no unanswered question here, just an answer that was kept from the public.