Describe How A 1964 Ali V 1974 Foreman Fight Runs?

Cheers Ferg. Nice hypothetical keeping it in Zaire.

 

Truthful Post. George Foreman however had poor stamina.

 

Wah ! I don't like the weather, neither did Ali for that matter, my shoes were too big, the ring ropes were loose, the third assassin from the Grassy Knoll loosened the ropes, Ha Ha.

 

A fighter who is not intelligent enough to acclimate himself to the weather conditions is not a very intelligent athlete, instead of walking around scowling with his Dogs and doig a poor imitation of his boyhood idol Sonny Liston, George Foreman should have gotten used to the weather, Muhammad Ali did. Too many excuses, sorry but George did have ample chances too, he wasted time.

 

Ali has a couple of very scary moments but ultimately makes George look like a big goofy bumpkin. He's way ahead on the scorecards, having knocked him down in the 12th (though George got back up ok). George is walking around like a zombie with a bumpy Halloween mask in the 15th when Ali knocks him down twice and nearly stops him right before the final bell.

Overwhelming UD for Ali.

 

Ali dances n jabs circles around Foreman. Just way too fast n not as easy to hit as the 74 Ali. Drawback is Ali would not sit on his punches enough so I see a longer match. Foreman can give scares n possibly a knock down but just would b winded missing so much. Very late rds stoppage or UD for 64 Ali.

 

And a brilliant post.

 

Excuses Are Like People's Behinds, Everyone Has One. When I see a fighter spouting excuses after they lose, I used to turn off the sound on the television. I bet had they won, there would never be an excuse.

 

Late round TKO sounds about right, George Foreman's glaring weakness was that he had zero stamina, if he did not get you by round 5, he was gassed, his hero Sonny Liston could go 12, as he did against Eddie Machen on Sept 7 1960. Muhammad Ali in 1964 had an enormous amount of stamina, always dancing. In 1974 Ali did not have the same stamina that he had in 1964-1967, he also tired, laid on the ropes too much.

 

I'm going against the grain and picking Foreman. Ali in 64 was still green and just coming into his prime. He wasn't as physically strong or experienced as his 74 form. He wins the first couple of rounds before Foreman catches up to him & stops him in 10.

 

Truthful post, If George Foreman can catch up to Cassius Clay AKA Muhammad Ali. George Foreman was always gassed after 5 rounds when he was in with a fighter of Jimmy Young's caliber, who could not crack an egg. You know how I feel about excuses, Excuses Are Like People's Behinds, Everyone Has One. In Zaire Foreman had the same opportunity to become familiar with the climate, Ali trained and got familiar with it in 1974, instead Foreman walked around with his Dogs, scowling, trying to imitate his idol Sonny Liston, but Liston could fight twelve rounds if need be. Against Young in 1977, the same excuse, That Darn Climate Made Me See God. Clay/Ali had really good stamina, had great reflexes, good footwork and speed. Ali was not going to pull a Joe Frazier or Ken Norton, Ali fought in his first title reign from 1964-1967 fighters who cut off the ring on him, he just plain wore them out. If I could buy Foreman a Christmas Gift when he was champion in 1974, it would be a large Sam's Club box of Stamina. Ali in 1964 had learned his lesson against Henry Cooper on June 18 1963 not to horse around with a fighter who could punch. The only time Sonny Liston caught Ali on Feb 25 1964 was when Ali was blinded by the Liniment in round 5.

 

Lets not even begin to compare Liston to Foreman when it comes to cutting the ring off and catching up with someone. They are known to be at opposite ends of the spectrum, in that regard.

Foreman would catch him up at points and it would be interesting to see what defensive measures young Ali embraces in tying up and/or getting out of there.

I most certainly favor Ali but he's not just going to prance around in the exhausting that fight was fought in staying fresh and cool from the comforting air of Foreman's punches that never ever land.

Ali was actually, given it is second career Ali, in tremendous shape for George and he decided very very early he wouldn't be killing himself trying to dance around such a great ring cutting in the trying conditions. I'l grant straight up yeah young Ali is a different animal but IMO it just ain't going to be very easy regardless.

As Pugs implied Ali recognising the need to adapt so early and so sinfully (EVERYONE thought the key was Ali staying off the ropes and that he'd be killed if he was getting caught on them) was an absolute keystroke.