Canelo GGG 3 Press scores?

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ironic that you're talking about me "spinning the facts" when the facts are that Canelo's record vs GGG is 2-0-1, which is undefeated vs GGG in 3 fights. :naughty2:

    You trying to claim wins via press scores. I'm using press scores, not to argue who won, but to show how one-sided the consensus thought the 3rd fight was, as opposed to the first 2 which they saw as close.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your arguments suggest you thought it was close. So are you saying you didn't think it was close and you agree that it was one-sided? If so, good, maybe you should have a talk with your pal @m.s. Oh and @C.J. they seem to think to was close. :lol: Silly them.
     
  3. BCS8

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    What you are trying to do is use press scores as having a basis in reality for arguing results of fights. Therefore, if press scores are believable as indicators of scoring, then they are also believable as indicators of who won according to those scores.

    Golovkin 2 Canelo 1

    Well done, you played yourself.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not at all. Press scores are indicators of how close the consensus at ringside sees a fight. Anotherwords, if a fight is close enough to be reasonably debatable as to who won. Fights 1 and 2 clearly were close enough to be debatable as to who won. Fight 3 clearly wasn't.
     
  5. BCS8

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    Nah, you are trying to have your cake and eat it. Your Flat Earth logic is really spinning its wheels here. The press overwhelmingly had GGG win the first 2. Have a good day :)
     
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  6. MAD_PIGE0N

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    The third fight Golovkin lost it fairly and was close to draw. The first two he was robbed because he won them. That's the whole story short and clear.

    Some decades ago, an official scoring was the newspaper decision. After the obvious corruption in boxing (as in every sport), it's good to have newspapers, big websites and platforms where people can give their own scores which are more realistic when a scandalous decision is made.
     
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  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The press did not have GGG winning either of the first 2 fights "overwhelmingly". The average score had GGG winning the first fight by a very narrow margin, one swing round away from a draw. 7-5 as an average score is far from an overwhelming margin of victory. The rematch had the average score a draw. On the other hand, the 3rd fight the consensus had it a one-sided route, 11-1 Canelo.

    Press scores don't determine who wins boxing matches, but they do show how close and competitive the public sees a fight as. The closer the consensus press score, the more reasonable it is to have a fight scored either way.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    According to one judge, a score that was universally mocked when it was announced for being far too close. The consensus saw the 3rd fight as a one-sided rout, with most scoring it 119-109 Canelo, far from a draw.
    The consensus saw the first 2 fights as close fights, with most having GGG winning the first fight narrowly 7-5. The rematch most seeing it as 7-5 either way or a draw. The first 2 fights were razor thin narrow, highly competitive fights that could have gone either way, whereas the 3rd fight was a one-sided domination, near shutout by Canelo.

    The official results were 2 wins for Canelo, 0 wins for GGG, and 1 draw.
    Press scorers are good to see how close or one-sided a match was viewed. The first 2 fights were seen as extremely close, while the 3rd fight was seen as one-sided.
     
  9. kirk

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    The consensus for the first fight was that Golovkin won.

    Press scores were referenced to show the disparity between 2 of the judges, and the rest of the world.

    The third fight has some outliers in terms of scoring it a draw or for Golovkin, but overall most people agree and scored it for Canelo.

    Why would people bring up press scores in the same capacity in a fight where most agree there's no controversy, vs a fight that is highly disputed?
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    What a moronic post.

    Press scores are where they always are, someone always digs manually first to compile them.

    On the other hand I'm. Glad you finally accept the first two as Golovkin victories now. Hopefully you also accept the earth as a globe and the word business as business.
     
  11. Kissan

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    Because this time it was clear and the rightful winner got the decision. It was a different story for the first two fights. Simple as that.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Sure they do. Something like 90% had GGG winning the first and 70% had GGG winning the second.
    Listen kid, you can't have it both ways.

    If press scoring is valid, then so are the results from that scoring.
    If press scoring is invalid, then the results from that scoring are irrelevant.

    You can't say that the press scoring is a valid reflection of the fight but then reject the results of that scoring.

    You're being a hypocrite.
     
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  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    By a very narrow margin. Based on several close swing rounds that were highly competitive and subjective as to who won them. GGG was expected to win and fought in an aggressive come forward style, which fans like. GGG threw more punches which casuals typically give close rounds to. While the vast majority scored the first fight for GGG, pretty much everyone agrees that the 1st fight was much closer than the 3rd fight which was largely seen as far more one-sided.
    Which had GGG overwhelming seen as the winner, but not by a large margin. The average score was 7-5 GGG, which is an extremely close margin suggesting the fight was close enough to be reasonably scored for either fighter. That wasn't the case in the 3rd fight as the press scores had Canelo winning by a very wide margin. Consensus press scores of 11-1 ≠ Consensus press scores of 7-5. One can only be reasonably scored for one fighter, the other can be reasonably scored either way.
    By a much, much wider margin on average than the first fight.
    Because some were arguing that the fight was close, that Canelo only won 7-5, while the press score consensus was far wider than that, with most scoring it 11 rounds to 1 or close to that.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    GGG has 0 wins vs Canelo. First 2 fights were extremely close and could go either way. The 3rd fight was a one-sided Canelo domination. Thanks for playing.
     
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yup, the first 2 fights could have gone either way. The 3rd fight there was a clear no-doubt-about-it winner.