Canelo GGG 3 Press scores?

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  1. BCS8

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    Amazing that Shadow is so excited by a drug cheat finally getting a legitimate win over a boxing grandpa. :rolleyes:

    All that big talk from Clenboy about how he was going to do this and that and end GGG's career and he came and fought like a chicken. If there had been more rounds the drug cheat may have even lost after he gassed against an ancient fighter :duh
     
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    Orange man bad :risas3:
     
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  3. CST80

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    That's debatable. I see nothing wrong with the close scores whatsoever, hell... I scored it for GGG 115-113. A lot of people were influenced by the commentary and the "story of the match" as Kellerman would put it once again. But if they actually concentrated on what was actually occurring in the ring, then they would have seen it for the close match it actually was. Rounds 1 and 6, GGG shaded. While 8-12 most agree he performed quite well in. So the thought of all 7 of them going to GGG, is only egregious to people invested in a narrative and not wanting to risk being ridiculed. Just look how all over the place the scores were on here. https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/saul-alvarez-vs-gennady-golovkin-iii

    For the record IB had it 115-113 Canelo, but also thought a draw was feasible.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We all know who fought like a chicken in the 3rd fight, and it sure wadn't Canelo.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know I got respect for you. And I want to better understand how you had it for GGG. I always try to keep an open mind to those who see matches different. What do you make of the press scores and all the 119-109s? Yahoo Sports had it a complete shutout. I think there is a good argument for GGG winning some of the last 4, particularly 9,10,11, but those weren't clear GGG rounds. They were pretty much toss-ups, about even for the most part, not unreasonable to score those to Canelo or GGG, surely those could go either way. Most people seemed to think the first 8 were easy to score for Canelo, with round 1 marginally closer compared to 2-8. Could you find a round or 2 to give to GGG, sure but it seems to me that you'd really have to be trying to find reasons to give GGG round rather than scoring it straight up. But again, if you saw 7 rounds to give to GGG more power to you. Who am I to say you're wrong for coming to that score? I just think when you say I'm in fantasy land for seeing it as one-sided, I think I need to point out that my view of the fight seems to be in with the consensus press scoring which saw it as very one-sided. At the same time, I know what it's like to be in the minority like I was in the first fight scoring that for Canelo. So I've been there too on an island like you are scoring this for GGG.
     
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  6. MAD_PIGE0N

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    What are you talking about?
    Dave Moretti: 116-112
    Steve Weisfeld: 115-113
    David Sutherland: 115-113


    That's the most stupid statement commentators can do. A fight is either a draw, or a win for one. No matter close or very competitive, there's no such "chameleon" fight where the scores like changes actively even after the fight - it happened only one way. Might be sometimes difficult to easily judge, I don't know how the judges are processing it, but there's no such thigh like "going either way" - this means can be a victory for boxer X, a loss for boxer X or even a draw - do you get the absurdity of such statement?
     
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  7. shadow111

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    In terms of the press scores and the overwhelming reaction to the official cards by the public which were universally seen as way too close on the night and in the immediate aftermath.
     
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  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    This is rather bla-bla. Close to impossible to summarize the press and the fans around the world.
     
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  9. ConfusedGuy

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    In reference to the first fight. A 7-5 does not always mean that the fight could have gone either way. Use your brain. It is possible for a fighter to clearly win 7 rounds.
     
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  10. shadow111

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    It's not a difficult concept. Close narrow margin press scores vs one-sided wide margin press scores are two different things and should be treated as such.
     
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  11. OldSchoolBoxing

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    2 judges scored the fight 113-115 so that people wouldn't notice Golovkin took a dive.
     
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  12. shadow111

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    It is possible, but GGG did not clearly win 7 rounds in the first fight. He didn't even clearly win 4 rounds.
     
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  13. CST80

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    It's quite simple, at the end of the day, Canelo landed 130 punches and GGG landed 120 punches, which means over 12 rounds, they were only separated by 10 punches. I love GGG's jab, and he outlanded Canelo 74 to 45. As far as power punches go, Canelo had the edge 85-46.. However, GGG's defense is brutally underrated, and rolled with, parried and blocked many of the glancing punches that were accredited to Canelo. Then when you look at the match on a round by round basis, at best there was only 2 to 3 punches that separated them in the vast majority of them. So therefore you have to focus on punch quality, and in rounds 1, 6, 8-12, I thought he landed the better punches. 6th could've gone either way, so a draw is fine.
     
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  14. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Why not asking Adalaide Byrd and her 10:2 rounds Canelo? Gennady clearly won the first two fights. By a little, but enough.

    Refering to Canelo-Bivol same corrupted judgment happened, but the rap* Canelo took was even more, so it was impossible to give even a draw. Still, the scores are scandalous.
     
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  15. shadow111

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    You're speaking my language when it comes to quality vs quantity. I just didn't see GGG landing clean or effective enough or to overcome being outlanded in those rounds. But I can review those rounds and try to see what you're seeing.

    Would you agree though that GGG fought the wrong fight, and was too cautious in the early going? I mean didn't you expect GGG to KO Canelo? Now, I know Canelo said he wanted to KO GGG. But you know that I didn't think that either guy was getting a KO. When you made that prediction that GGG would stop Canelo, surely you expected GGG to be more aggressive and to take the fight to Canelo more.

    I mean, is it fair to say that, despite your score, that you were disappointed in how GGG fought? And how would you rate Canelo's performance? He did come at GGG early on and tried to make it a fight. He landed some heavy shots on GGG. That had to impress you on some level, no? And GGG even if you think he was eeking out some of those rounds, he didn't really load up, take to the fight to Canelo, fight fire with fire and try to hurt Canelo as many GGG fans wanted him to do. I expected more of a fight out of GGG. And you must have too if you expected a GGG stoppage.
     
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