Why Is Tyson Fury's PED Cheating Ignored, While People Disparage Canelo?

Holyfield agrees

 

It's ignored for both Canelo and Tyson. Two drug cheats and all is forgiven. All the top tier guys are on it. Most of them guys share the same coaches, strength and conditioning coaches etc. Don't tell me they ain't know each other are cheating. Look at the Canelo camp, you have Valdez caught cheating, fat Andy Ruiz juicing now too. Look at the Ingle gym they're all on the Ingle juice- Billy Joe Saunders Kid Galahad etc. All failed drug tests, even their coach is on the juice. Boxing so ****ed right now it's not even funny. Joshua, Pacquaio, JM Marquez another few guys juiced out of their minds. Toxic

 

Where is the actual *evidence* that most people cheat?
Whether in specific sports, on their taxes, on their spouses, wife beating, addictions, lying about their gold scores or fish they caught...
Trivial deceptions or major crimes.
Many people do these things.
That does not show whether it is the Vast Majority, or a small minority-we gotta be fair to people, & not o with either extreme, naivety saying nobody not caught ever cheated-or everyone who was caught was a false positive or mistake...

Or unwarranted assumptions that "they were all juiced to the nines".
It is an unfair & lazy or psychologically convenient assumption-either extreme.
Like folks who say "all politicians are corrupt"-yet they rarely take any significant time to look with intellectual rigor about who did what & weigh all the evidence.

Ben Johnson had an unusual expansion of muscle-especially around the shoulder area where there are many adndrogen receptors-on an already decent build-in a short time.
I am sure others cheat.
He did, & deserves the public condemnation & having his medals revoked.
That is legitimate not finding a scapegoat.
But without evidence we cannot broad brush condemn or stereotype everyone in a whole profession-or assume whether most dabbled or worse without good indications-any more than we should do this for say one nationality.

 

PEDs do tend to increase muscle, even absent additional work.
Look at people who change gender.
Some increase endurance, some not.
Yes definition may not improve-especially if one just tries to bulk up & not cut body fat.
But we do not know whether most use it or not.
Some sports like Tour de France are worse, or sports that rely on pure power tend to be.

But we really do not know what percentage use.
How many do not get caught.
If a significant percentage get false positives or not.
People are uncomfortable to say they do not know.

 

Tysonandrolone doesn't roll off the tongue at all unlike Clenelo, Roid Jones, Pedvetkin.

 

I'm sure I saw this same thread here a week or two ago.
it isn't ignored.
it's mentioned all the time here.

 

Simply put, Canelo is more obviously guilty and is also a Diva who handicaps opponents and has many robberies or dodgy cards along with it all. So he obviously will get more heat.

The fact is that Canelo's PED bust was directly connected to packing on mass, getting more endurance, becoming a KO artist. He raises every red flag you can.

Fury's PED bust was connected to no obviously difference in power or engine and no bodybuilding changes. And it also involved a corrupt testing org.

Fury may well be truly guilty too, but it's fair to give him more benefit of the doubt than Canelo, because he comes off as less suspicious.

Another way of looking at it is that if it was a murder trial, Fury would probably get off on reasonable doubt, especially due to the corruption of UKAD, but Canelo would be convicted.

 

I understand what your saying but I respectfully disagree. I've been clear and consistent with my position regarding this.
I never said everyone is on gear but sports that rely on certain attributes most certainly are. so obviously body building. cycling and sprinting for sure. I would place boxing after that. I can go the the history if you like but I know you are more knowledgeable on this subject than most on here and I respect your opinion. I just believe at the top level athletes will take that risk as they have a short window of opportunity to make the money and succeed. It's just reality that people have sought to take an advantage and the fact that the PED industry being worth so much money both supports my position and shows a demand clearly being there. The market doesn't exist because of people like us it exists because people who compete use it.

 

The elevated Nandrolone Fury test was 28th February 2015,Fury did not sign with Warren until 2018 over three years after the fact .

 

You already posted this before and it got deleted

 

Tyson Fury has milked his (self inflicted) mental health story and it's very un-PC for the press to go after him.

He also had a personality transplant when he came back and stopped talking about the "anti Semitic" things that made the press hound him.

He's English speak and that carries alot of weight in PPV rich countries and he's very marketable

 

What changes? He has always been covered by someone. Warren or not.

 

It's odd how all those names you mentioned just happen to be of a certain ethnicity/nationality & obviously you left out all your favorite fighters right? because they have Never ever been on PED's correct?, the biggest one being your IV Captain Floyd.

 

It does not make sense to say not everyone is on gear but say that "sports" that rely on certain attributes most certainly are.
That implies everyone in certain sports are using, inconsistent with the first thing you said.
But I am saying you do no even know if MOST folks are using in any sports.
They might be, or maybe not-but you cherry-picking reasons folks have to use instead of the opposite does not provid eany specific evidence.

It comes down to "I believe". But giving motivations for use is like doing the opposite: this does nothing to support particular claims of HOW common it is.
Of course there is a demand, that is not in dispute.
But it is like saying there is a demand for any crime or black market-that goes no way to supplying evidence to how often who uses.

Sometimes it is wiser to say "I o not know".
Which still accommodates the position that it is a big problem.
However giving a frequency without evidence is not sensible.

 

That's fair enough. I just think sports like cycling it would be very difficult not to do it and still be successful the same with sprinting.
The fact is testing just isn't that effective Lance Armstrong is probably the best example of duking the system over a long period of time utilising several methods. I just look at this from an economic perspective and the psychology of an elite athletes and that the window of opportunity is a short one. Maybe my framing was inaccurate but I think it's a far bigger problem than you would like to suggest.
As I said previously I respect your opinion I suspect it lies between our differing perspectives.