Who is the man at heavy...Usyk or Fury?

Never happening. He's already said he isn't fighting AJ or Joyce, and that Usyk is a middle that isn't worth it.

He could have been fighting Joe but chose Del. Says it all.

 

Ok, well let's wait and see.

 

Tyson Fury retied in 2016 and lost whatever belts he still had and ducked the Wlad rematch. He lost his belts, he cannot still claim they were rightfully his if he hasn't held them in 6-7 years and the only decent fighter he's fought in the last 6 years is Wilder.

What I'm disputing is the idea that fury is "the man" at this weight but he's done nothing the prove it.

The reality is both Usyk and Fury have light resumes at this level recently. In the last few years both have beaten 1 great opponent, that's it.

After that their opponents have been Chisora level quality.

Neither Usyk or Fury have done much to assert superiority over one another, but you could argue Usyk had the tougher fight with Joshua, as Joshua has to be considered the harder fight based on resume.

Wilder has beaten one opponent that could be considered top 10 and that's Ortiz, and even that is questionable. Joshua beat Wlad, Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz, Pulev, Whyte, who are all at least Ortiz quality or above.

So Usyk has the best win out of any of them.

 

Well said.

 

This bending over backwards to defend Joshua is strange but then again you're a Parker superfan, so I guess you have to defend Parker's conqueror/Andy Ruiz's victim.

Vitali was a much lighter puncher than Wlad but had a higher KO ratio due to generally being more forceful and fighting lower quality opponents.

Fury will often promise one thing and do another, he's an erratic character. But getting a late stoppage against an older, more worn, dethroned version in Britain as the A-side after a life and death war isn't as impressive to my eye as schooling a champion master boxer over 12 in his backyard, being the only man in 69 fights to outbox him.

The best comparison between the power of Wlad and Joshua is the Pulev fight: Wlad knocked him virtually unconscious in 5 with 30 something punches, AJ was taken 9 against a diminished version, landing almost three times as many. Wlad was also able to put a fresh Povetkin down in the 2nd round, despite spending more time in that fight grappling than throwing punches.

 

He was temporarily forced onto the sidelines by a coordinated media witch-hunt unlike any that has ever besieged a boxer in Britain, and he avowed his rightful claim to the lineal championship throughout his hiatus. Pundits largely supported that claim upon his return, and for good reason. He never lost anything in the ring, and his return was always anticipated. Any pundits who might have expressed any doubt over Fury's claim to the lineage retracted those doubts and accepted his claim after he smashed Wilder in February of 2020. He was widely and categorically affirmed champion of the heavyweight division after that bout. Any observer with any sense knew his post-Whyte 'retirement' was a ballyhoo and therefore gave it no credence. When he boxes Chisora it will have been only eight months since Whyte.

Fury won the lineage when he beat Klitschko, a more meaningful title than any of the ABCs he aquired along with it. Lineage doesn't just go out the window because a guy was absent for one to two years. And Fury is far from the first guy, historically, to have retained it while out for an extended period. Johnson, Willard and Dempsey all did it. Jim Braddock pulled out of a scheduled bout with Max Schmeling (or ducked him, if you prefer) and didn't defend his status for two years, but still retained the lineage (which was then passed to Louis).

It took six years for a new lineage to be established after Lewis left. In the period that Fury was absent from the sport, the fifteen months between September of 2016 and the annoucement of his return in December of 2017, Joshua did nothing of significance enough to give himself even a shred of a claim to having established a new lineage (maybe you put particular store in Molina, an already dethroned Wlad and stand-in Takam).

Again, you are nobody to turn his nose up at the time-honored traditions of the sport which go back over a century. You're just a neophyte enthusiast with a loud opinion, not even a particularly knowledgeable student of the sport's history.


Oluwafemi didn't win a single one of his trinkets from Fury, but he did keep them warm for him, and Usyk has taken that baton in the last year or so. He is the most deserving candidate for the #1 contender spot at this point in time, and that's not a putdown.

Humble retractions will be due when Fury signs to meet either of those guys, but will they be forthcoming?

 

No, the best comparison between AJ and Wlad is the fight they actually had.

You're the one making every excuse under the sun to discredit AJ, whereas I at least give credit where it's due.

Finally, when are you going to take your ban like a man? This is your second alt since nEET finally got banned. Your writing style is painfully obvious.

 

Rest assured i won't be forgetting.

 

Weirdo.

 

Well you've been running around big noting your little hole hating on Fury telling all and sundry he's avoiding not one but three fighters so rest assured when he fights one of them you're going to know it

Your type will however double down and criticise something else or make some sort of excuse. It'll be denial all around.

 

Wilder hasn't fought many ranked opponents aside from Fury so him not having other losses doesn't seem like much of an argument. Its easier to avoid losses if you don't face the best.

Since beating Wlad way back in 2015 Fury hasn't fought quality opponents aside from Wilder whose reputation is based a lot on losing to Fury in competitive fights.

 

How can you me mention me making excuses when Tyson does that all the time?

If Tyson fought Usyk or AJ I'd happily say fair play. But again please look at his patterns. He's not going near them.

 

And we are back to square 1. Lets simply wait and see!

 

Fury...when he's done, he'll make victims of all those guys.

 

I don't see how beating Wilder can be in any way said to cement Furys place as the best given Wilder has failed to fight other top heavyweights aside from Fury. We don't know how good Wilder is due to not taking better fights.

You could just as easily claim Joyce beating Dubois proves Joyce is the best