Holyfield was roided to the gills and Mike was no longer prime. And Smith was bigger than Foreman and most likely just as strong if not stronger when it comes to shoving ability.
What does it change though? Holyfield wasn't huge even after taking steroids. Besides, it's foolish to assume he's the only one to do that. Do you think Tyson became weaker physically after the prison? Why? So if he was as strong as Foreman, that means Foreman would be able to do that.
Oh, sure, Mike showed heart hanging in there. But the quality of that uppercut and the power behind it, among other things, counters the belief that Mike was as out of shape as many claim. Mike was trying to land throughout but it was Douglas who, more than Mike himself, thwarted those attempts. By round 8, Buster became too relaxed and over confident in that moment - Mike seized the opportunity and landed a cracker. Great punch.
But WB, it doesn’t require Mike to proactively engage in wrestling. It will be DONE to him if he can’t PREVENT it. Foreman would be shoving and manhandling Mike - so what’s Mike going to do about that? I think there’s enough evidence to support Foreman being demonstrably stronger than Mike in the ring. Pure weight might help to a degree in terms of resistance - inertia, but even if their weights were comparable I’d say Foreman was the stronger man, P4P, at those similar weights. Add to that Foreman’s greater dimensions (height and reach), the primary means via which he would apply his greater, absolute strength and Foreman’s pure strength advantage is amplified. Prime Foreman wasn’t slow per se. Second coming George was. Finally, no, it isn’t pure MOQ to shove and manhandle - Frazier was disadvantaged by those very tactics. However, Mike was no angel in his own practices - and he talked a game of unbridled violence. It sounds a bit soft to suggest that conditions be ideally set for Mike and to then claim “not fair” if they’re not perfectly suitable for the baddest man on the planet. Baddest Man On The Planet. But with caveats. Please read the fine print. Ts & Cs apply. Who’s bad?
Prime Mike Tyson isn't walking in a straight line with his chin stuck in the air against a man who'd be swinging for the fences. He's not walking into Foreman's wheelhouse. In fact, Foreman would be missing often enough that the times he does land a bomb it's not enough in succession to take Tyson out of there. Single bombs don't knock Tyson down. Might stun him but Tyson is the better combination puncher here. A better defense too. Tyson's a wrecking ball compared to Foreman's brick wall. In thsi scenario, the wrecking ball always wins. Tyson made a career fighting guys in George Foreman's size and range. They weigh about the same at their respective peaks. But Tyson should be weary of those uppercuts on the inside that Foreman launches. But like I said above, Foreman isn't landing them bombs in succession like he did to Joe Frazier. Tyson KO 6 Foreman
That's the thing, he can prevent it. He's gonna punch Foreman when Foreman uses his hands for something other than punching or blocking. Foreman ain't that much stronger. The only time he'll be able to move Tyson is when they clinch, and shoving won't mater much then. Foreman was slow in his prime too, not as slow as in the 90s, but slow nonetheless.
Like pushing and shoving Mike around, which was what me and Puggui were talking about, whether Foreman can do it or not.