Who is the man at heavy...Usyk or Fury?

Has to Be Usyk for now, we need the Old Fury back but he's too much of a headcase, sadly. Fcuking Chisora up next jeezuz.

 

Fat Andy scraped past a 43 year old Ortiz with 2 KO defeats over 12 rounds, losing a majority of the rounds on the cards, with many believing that Ortiz did enough to win or get a draw. The 38 and 40 year old versions of Ortiz with considerably less wear would be favoured to outpoint or stop Ruiz.

Ruiz is better on the front foot than Stiverne but I don't know if he's a better fighter overall, the relative Arreola performances suggest that Stiverne 1 is better. He is certainly a much bigger puncher, with more height and reach, about 30 lbs less fat, a solid chin in his own right (never dropped pre-Wilder 1) and has better amateur wins. Stiverne 1 and Ortiz 1 were rated much more highly than Ruiz was before he destroyed Joshua and Ruiz has never looked that good in any other fight.

Compare the performances against mutual opponents: Morales, Liakhovich, Arreola, Ortiz (all fresher when Wilder fought them, often much fresher) and it's clear why Wilder will be a big favourite. If fat Andy really is Wilder's 2nd best opponent then he should look like it (especially as Wilder has taken a lot of damage now at 37) if he gets schooled and stopped like 2016 Arreola (who gave Ruiz a war in 2021 coming off a long layoff) then that theory goes out the window.

 

Have a day off @NEETzschean

 

Klitschko was beaten by Ross Puritty, and was suffering from some kind of Haloperidol poisoning when he fought Brewster. He sucks.

 

The point is that the same excuses and criticisms can be made equally of ATG Wlad. Lost to a journeyman, made dishonest excuses for other losses. Stiverne didn't reach Wlad's level of course but he went on to reach a far higher level than King, just as Takam reached a higher level than Tony.

 

I think if one counts Ortiz as a live opponent for Wilder than you have to count Parker for Joshua. Both have pretty awful resumes but were generally considered top 10 heavyweights going into the fights. There isn't much between them in terms of accomplishments

 

I have to disagree on Bakole. He is on a good win streak and coming off some good performances. He has been more impressive of late than Wallin and Chisora and unlike Joshua is not coming off two consecutive losses. I think it would be a fight that could be sold to the public and would generate considerable interest.
Certainly it seems like an easier fight to sell to the public than a third Chisora fight a guy Fury has beaten twice and dominated last time. In Bakole we have a guy Furys size a massive puncher who just beat the highly touted Yoka and stopped Wach when that was still a difficult task.

 

The Neetschean triangle theories in full effect.

Pounding away in his mums basement, one hand on the keyboard, one hand on the phallus whilst gazing at the bronze bomber posters on the wall.

“with many believing that Ortiz did enough to win or get a draw” - I’ve not heard a single person say that, nor have I read it in any publication anywhere. The guy got dropped 3 times and Ruiz cruised to a UD win, in no way did Ortiz deserve to win.

 

Ortiz won every slow round - in other words, every round he was not dropped in. Boxing is not scored on knock downs.

 

1. Ortiz didn’t win every other rounds he wasn’t dropped in, I suggest you check the scorecards.
2. Getting 3 knockdowns in a fight whilst not being knocked down yourself there’s no real need to press anything unless you got 3 lucky shots whilst being completely dominated, especially when fighting against a counterpuncher.

Make all the excuses you want to about the fight it won’t change the decision which was UD Ruiz.

 

You're a very weird guy.

1) What do scorecards have to do with anything? You're the first person I think I've ever come across who dismisses the subjective nature (and quite often corruption) of boxing scoring. I don't really care what the judges had.

2) "There's no real need to press anything" - there very much is a need to do enough to win rounds, just like any other round, though. Wladimir Klitschko suffered 3 knockdowns against Sam Peter and still won by UD.

I couldn't care less about Rice Pudding Jr or Grandfather Ortiz; just stating how I view it. Ruiz didn't win a round that he didn't score a knockdown in, and many in the British forum had Ortiz within touching distance, drawing, or winning.