Joe Joyce vs 70s George Foreman

WTF?

 

lol! Moorer was jabbing his head off all night.

 

Did he won?I saw him knocked out so that does not matter since Foreman won.If Foreman lost then I would consider that as a good argument but since he won it is not a good argument.

 

I would quote my friend from another forum:

"We are stuck with beyond terrible HW's

Every other era has better fighters.

These present day HWs are big plodding goofballs.

No skill to be found.

Size is not a skill."

 

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Here is the video of a 27 year old Joyce getting rocked and bullied around the ring by a 6'2 190 pound relatively light punching Uysk. But yeah a 6'3 230 plus pound hard punching George Foreman couldn't beat Joyce. Joyce is so bad that I would put Jack O'Halloran and Chuck Wepner above him in terms of skilled. Gerry Cooney who was 6'5 230 was light years beyond Joe Joyce.

 

The truth hurts. Shot Cooney and a fat cruiserweight don’t cut it, chief.

 

Against Peralta.

 

Usyk would beat Foreman.

 

Joyce has already accomplished more than Williams and Jones did. I would put his win over Parker above anything they accomplished, probably Dubois too.

Height isn't a good barometer of size either given Joyce is far heavier than the likes of Cooney, Jones. Most of the guys mentioned never fought Foreman anyway

 

Lol how did Joyce accomplish more than Roy Williams and Al Jones did? Neither of them won a title. But both Roy Williams and Jones did beat top level guys. Joyce has beat who? Parker? A faded Parker by the way. Dubuis is better than Roy Williams Gerry Cooner, or Al Jones? Who did Dubois beat? Trevor Bryan ? Chuck Wepner beating a old Ernie Terrell is more impressive than Dubois beating Bryan. 6'6 240 pound Jack O'Halloran losing to Foreman was more impressive than Dubois beating Bryan. Also who did Parker beat? Derek Chisora? A faded Chisora who got smashed by David Haye years ago and yet Parker couldn't stop him? Wait I know Parker beating Junior Fa by boring decision the same Fa who got knocked out in 1 round by a old Lucas Brown.

Even Gerry Cooney beat better fighters than Joyce has ever faced. Cooney beat the 6'5 24-1 Eddie Gregg who was considered a top contender. Cooney beat the undefeated 23-0 Phillip Brown, Cooney beat Eddie Lopez and even Cooney's wins over a old faded Ken Norton and Ron Lyle was more impressive than anything Joe Joyce, Dubois or Joseph Parker ever accomplished.

Also you do realize that Butterbean is heavier than Joyce? So I guess Butterbean is better then right? Joyce chooses to come in the ring heavy. Al Jones, Gerry Cooney, Roy Williams ect all tried to be in shape so they wouldn't tire out in the late rounds. Also you do realize when Joyce was 28 years old he weighed around 220 or less? You do realize at 19 Foreman weighed 230. You do realize Jack O'Halloran was 237 by the time he was 23/24. You do realize Foreman in his comeback usually weighed between 250-260? You do realize if you tried that back in the 70's any top level fighter would expose you? Also the guys I named didn't have to fight Foreman . That person stated Foreman only won because he was the biggest guy in the 70's. I listed those guys because clearly Foreman wasn't close to being the biggest guy in the 70's in terms of height or weight.

 

It could well happen.
It may well not. Foreman was exhausted by the illegal pulling & hanging on him + fighting outraged & dumb in the heat of Zaire (at 4 AM). And an elusive defensive master.
Joyce would do none of these things, nor produce these effects.
Foreman had better defense than you think.
We have had threads about it; his framing, cutting off the ring, shoving, maneuvering, sometimes great jab & long guard...
Hit youtube & watch some.
Joyce has some defense unlike what some say, but relies on his chin & it is not that good.

Usually people select the hypothetical winner based upon who they want to win.
I doubt you are any different.
However I am saying Joyce has a decent shot, although I would make Foreman the at least slight favorite.
And root for the man who even if Saddler was not there to have him agcome in dehydrated (an idiotic strategy)...
Would still come in about 40 lbs. lighter.

 

Your version of the truth; derived from a deep, reeking bias, doesn't hurt anyone but you.

I find it amusing, though (hence the emoji you were so easily triggered by).



ps - Parker would have barely registered, if at all, during the '70s and the '90s.

 

Yeah Cooney was obviously past his best, but you can't really use that to disparage Foreman's win over him as Foreman himself was 8 years older and had more than double the pro fights, so was far more past prime than Cooney. It's just that Foreman was so much better than Cooney that even with 8 years and double the miles in the ring was a class above Cooney. Had it been prime for prime Cooney would of never made it out of the first round.

 

Let's use your so called logic with the guys Joe Joyce beat. Carlos Takam was knocked out by Derek Chisora, Anthony Joshua, Alexander Povetkin before Joyce fought him. Christian Hammer was knocked out by Hughie Fury, Tyson Fury, Mariusz Wach, and Robert Gregor before Joyce faced him, Michael Wallisch has been knocked out 5 times. All of his loses were by knock out. Tony Yoka, Christian Hammer, and Efe Ajagba all stopped him before Joyce did. Bermaine Stiverne was knocked out by Demetrice King and Wilder just destroyed him in 1 round before Joyce fought him. Should I go on? You can spend things anyway you want when you are trying to fit your narrative. Gerry Cooney was stopped by Spinks because Cooney became a drunk after he lost to Larry Holmes. Cooney wasn't in the top 10 when he faced Foreman because Cooney was inactive.