Joe Joyce vs 70s George Foreman

How Joyce have better chin?
Was he proven against someone worth of being P4p?
I don't think so.

 

Joyce would outlast Foreman and knock him out late.

 

In other words: Did he fight anyone who fought Ali? That's not going to happen, try to be objective and stop using Ali as the benchmark for everything.

 

No it is not about that, it is about did Joy Joyce even fought let alone win fight against any p4p fighter from his era?
I do not think so, he fought good guys but not the best ones which could not be said about Foreman who was champion twice in two greatest eras.

 

Not yet, but his attributes are obvious. Foreman was great in his day but Joyce would be way too much for him, just like Mike Tyson would be too much for Frazier, and Fury would be for Ali.

 

Not yet but...that is not great argument for wining this debate.Foreman is better in everything than Joyce:
he cuts ring better, he punch harder, he has better chin,better stamina,better jab,better defense and offense.
Lets be honest, Foreman would be to much for this overhyped boy.That boy did not beat anyone to make me sure he would bet anyone from Foremans era, let alone George Foreman.Foreman would bully him and knock him inside 4 rounds like he did to Jack O Halloran.
Fury would be too much for Ali?Fury cant dodge brawler like a Wilder or Cunningham how he would dodge Ali?
Ali is also better than Fury in every single department including speed,power,heart,stamina,footwork...Ali would embarrass Fury and knock him in later rounds.

 

Haha no way...Foreman lost to bums...Ali lost to bums...and if we're talking about knockdowns Ali got knocked down by massive bums too. Joyce and Fury are just too big for any of these past heavyweights.

 

Against which bum Foreman lost?Against Ali,Holyfield and Morrison who are great fighters.
Ali did not lose against bum like Wilder, he was beaten by Frazier and later by Holmes when he developed dementia.
Too big?Ali and Foreman beat 16 guys bigger and better than those two bums.They have more skill.power and stamina than anyone from 90s let alone this era.
I think even journeyman like Chuvalo and Norton would beat the crap out of Joyce and Fury.
Was Ali even beaten in his prime?Nope unlike those two you mentioned.Fury and Joyce are too slow and stiff, they wont be even contenders in 70s and 90s, thats a fact.
Liston,Frazier,Norton,Holmes,Lyle...would kill both Fury and Joyce.

 

Jimmy Young, the feather fisted bum with 18 losses. Would you like me to give examples for the other fighters you listed?

 

Jimmy YOUNG lost only against Ali,Norton,Lyle...against greatest and Foreman was not active for 1 year and did not train at all.Even Jimmy Young stated that something was wrong with Foreman.Jimmy Young was an 80 percent replica of Ali and he would beat Fury and Joyce like a drum since he has tools to do that to those stiff bums.IF Cunningham who is cruiser could give hell to Fury and Wilder with no skill could to, what you think Foreman,Ali,Frazier and Liston would do to Joyce and Fury?
That would be execution.

 

Jimmy Young lost 18 fights my friend. https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/276

 

Jimmy Young, according to Larry Holmes, was an extremely slick, clever, quick boxer who absolutely nobody looked good against. Larry wrote in his autobiography Larry Holmes: Against the Odds:

“nobody looks good fighting Jimmy Young. Nobody. If he hadn’t kept leaning out of the ring he would have beaten Ali. He did beat Foreman, and he beat Ron Lyle twice! No way I was going to risk that for what they were offering me!”


Jimmy looked successful against Ali because of his style, and the fact that Ali did not train, took him lightly, and came in at his heaviest weight ever. George made the same mistakes, and it cost him dearly.

What happened to Foreman in his fight with Jimmy Young?

George Foreman’s loss to Jimmy Young came from heatstroke and failure to prepare for the climate in Puerto Rico, (George flew in 22 hours before the fight!)

George was the #4 contender. In 1976, George ascended once again to #1 contender, and Ali had one year to fight him. He would have gotten his rematch, (talks had already begun between the camps of the fighters) but George took a fight he did not need to take with Jimmy Young in March of 1977, and the rest is history.

Ali would have had to give George a rematch had he beaten Jimmy Young. George was the #1 ranked contender, and would have been due the mandatory shot. But George, by not acclimating himself to the climate of Puerto Rico, and overconfidence, lost that fight.

Young later said:

“George did not know it, but while I may have been standing, I was out cold. He could have pushed me over with his little finger. How I survived that round I will never know”

 

Also...how many bums knocked Ali down? If Henry Cooper could knock Ali down...what chance would Ali have against Fury?

 

Final record: 35-18-3(12). Ten of these defeats coming at a time when Jimmy had long since passed the age of 30. Stopped just twice.

 

Ah OK...selective hearsay proves everything. What happened in all Jimmy's other losses? Were they all freak accidents too?