If Monzon Had Being A SRR Challenger??

Even when he was welterweight king and fighting at middle in non title fights he was only weighing in at 150ish.
Against Randy Turpin there was 4 1/4lbs difference but it looked like a stone
Robinson gave away up to 18lbs when he fought LaMotta, at the scales.A steak and some liquid inside the bull and he would added another 5lbs at the very least.
There would have been nobody to touch Robbie at 154lbs ; the rock hard Gavilan had already tried and failed, twice

 

I agree except LaMotta having more weight didn`t add to his power while Monzon punched much harder than Jake, Lamotta had the power of a light-middle, Ray hit harder than him.

 

No question about Robinson's power.The way he knocked out Fullmer, Olson, Graziano and Turpin proves this.
LaMotta wasn't a puncher anyway but he could outjab Robinson when he chose to.
Basilio said Robinson didn't have a good jab but his left hook was premier league.

 

I think SRR loses the first fight the way he lost to Turpin. Completely underestimates Monzon. Don’t forget Monzon was hardly heard of outside hardcore boxing folks. A rematch sees SRR probably get a 15 round decision. Probably. If a third fight occurs again a distance fight with both fighters able to withstand the others punch and it seriously depends on the choice of judges and where the fight takes off place. A slight advantage to Monzon as a more natural middleweight but slight. No knockouts here. A draw somewhere in the series of fights?

 

This is pretty much the way I see it as long as we are talking about the Robinson who took the middleweight title from LaMotta. During his middleweight reigns, Robinson was not as dominant and consistent as he had been as a welterweight. The Robinson who lost the title to Turpin, Fullmer, and Basilio would have lost to Monzon, but we are talking early 50s here. I, too, see a close fight going the distance, and splitting a series if they so fought, with each fight being closely contested and going the limit.

 

Monzon didn`t slip punches the way Turpin did.

 

I would favor the best 160 version of SRR, which for those that don't know is the pre Maxim version, to come out on top in a series.

The post retirement/Maxim version (who had 2 1/2 years off and was already declined prior) was winning and losing fights against the top middleweights of that day and wasn't the same fighter. I'd favor Monzon to win a series against this version. Robinson may jag one on a good night.

 

I feel that both men are the type who have the will to find a way to win. This is a really tough call Ferg, SRR obviously has all of the advantages on paper much like @jabber74 said, I feel like SRR using all of his technicality and skill against Monzon won't much affect the fact that Monzon will not care. I don't think SRR will have the power to phase Monzon, speed and volume will probably be Robinson's greatest asset.

In the instance Robinson loses I see he will avenge the loss in a rematch. I genuinely think if Monzon and Robinson faced eachother once, Monzon could pull out a win- but. But I think Robinson was just too good at adjusting himself following a loss, his ring iq and versatility only improved when he suffered a loss during the height of his career. SRR only comes back stronger, I don't think the same can be said for Monzon.

 

Maybe he didn’t. But Monzon had a good chin. Was it 1 knockdown in 99 fights or something. But Monzon had very deceptive skills that Turpin didn’t. This would definitely go the distance however times they fought. Cuts and injuries aside. 2-1 out of three or 3-2 out of five with a draw not out of the question. Very close.

 

First and only knockdown suffered by Carlos Monzon was in Jan 1966 against Jorge Fernandez for the South American Middleweight title, which Monzon won on points. The second and last knockdown that Monzon suffered was on July 30 1977 in Monte Carlo, Monaco, Carlos was decked for a quick mandatory eight count against challenger Rodrigo Valdes in round 2, Carlos went on to cut and decision Valdes unanimously in 15 rounds. Carlos retired as champion on August 29 1977 after 7 years as champion and 14 successful title defenses, and an 82 bout unbeaten streak dating back to Oct 9 1964, a decision loss to countryman Alberto Massi in a career that began on Feb 6 1963. Monzon is my all time favorite middleweight champion.

 

Monzon arguably best pound for pound fighter of the 1970s. Followed by Roberto Duran with my man Muhammad Ali taking the bronze.

 

Cool bunch, great fighters.

 

Battle of the jabs, Monzon`s reach advantage would cause it to be close.

 

As great as Sugar Ray Robinson was, Carlos Monzon has cut off the ring on movers, remember the strategy that he employed against challenger Tony Licata on June 30 1975 in Madison Square Garden in his only appearance in the U.S, Carlos kept making the ring smaller until he stopped Licata in round 10.

 

Not much separates these two as boxers. I’m going to say Carlos by a close decision. Though the first fight with Griffith makes me pause and reconsider, Robinson can only improve on what Griffith did and he’ll do that by some big margin. Judging from how either man will look when all is said and done you won’t be able to tell who was the winner.