A Time Machine Thread. Jimmy Young vs Floyd Patterson Nov 30 1956, for the vacant title.

Floyd Patterson. I think his hand speed and underrated power would be able to overpower young's cagey counterpunching for a UD win

 

Agreed. That Younger version of Patterson had the type of speed and style to win a decision

 

I think everyone can agree that this fight would be the best possible use of the time machine!
I would like to see Johnny Boudreuax versus Henry Clark on the undercard.

 

Yes, perhaps not an exciting affair and likely not the stuff of a potential trilogy.

I think Floyd basically outworks offensive minimalist Young but there will still be shouts that Young won and was somehow robbed.

Will Jimmy find cause to stick his through and outside the ropes? Maybe.

 

I can see the fight posters already, “the battle for who will get robbed!”.

 

The 1950s judges are baffled so completely by Jimmy’s style that they turn in identical 0-0 scorecards after 15 rounds (this being scored on the rounds system so prevalent in the day … had the 10-point must system been instituted they would have scored it 10-10 across the board for 150-150 scorecards).

Never had they, nor Patterson, seen a strategy quite like Jimmy’s. Not only did he duck his head through the ropes, he actually climbed out of of the ring with his cornermen at the bell starting each round, standing on top of the steps and taunting Floyd to come after him.

Cus D’Amato, fearful that Floyd might punch himself out or get severe rope burns leaning over to try to reach a target outside the ring, first has Patterson shadow box in his own corner for 3 minutes each round, then decides to see what the ref will do if he just leaves the stool in the ring and let’s Patterson sit throughout every stanza.

The ref does nothing to stop this ploy by Cus and, instead, takes a page from Jimmy’s book and climbs out of the ring after round six, never to return.

A rematch is made, and the outcome is different. Young again follows his corner outside the ring, but this time is met by Archie Moore, who is attending at ringside because he’s fearful that if this pattern continues he will never get his shot. When Jimmy exits the ring this time, Moore is there and sucker punches him with a left hook and Jimmy topples to the floor completely unconscious.

Archie is made heavyweight champ by proclamation and awarded a KO 1 over Young, making him the first champion to ever win the title by winning a fight in which he did not participate.

 

Floyd split decision.

 

I dunno why but as soon as you mentioned Moore outside the ring, I visualised Arch as a vendor, in one of those hats, walking the aisles selling cigs, matches, ice creams and what not.

Imagine seeing him in that role and then see Arch casually hooking the departing Jimmy into oblivion as JY passed him - only for Arch to continue, seamlessly, selling his merchandise.

Fantastic reporting of events but I needs to know….obviously mortified by the cursed “robbery” hex following him back in time, did the vanquished JY make it back to his time machine to return home…or did cheeky Marciano sneak out, find it, jump in and set it to “forward” ??

 

Something hilarious to think about is Jimmy Young had he come along in place of Patterson would’ve made a better champion and very likely would’ve beaten Sonny and the rest of them on the way up. Besides probably the negative guys. I don’t know about beating Archie Moore though.

 

How I see it too. It would n't be particularly entertaining to watch but a good technical bout.

 

I dock @Richard M Murrieta for not sending Jimmy back to Nov. 5, 1955, the date to which Marty McFly traveled in “Back to the Future” (returning to the present on Nov. 12 when the lightning hit the clock tower). Big miss there.

But I’m glad you asked.

Dejected by his defeat at the unexpected punch from Archie Moore, Jimmy hops a bus from New York City after this fight in Madison Square Garden to his native Philadelphia.

When he climbs off the bus, he encounters his own 8-year-old self (having celebrated that birthday a scant two weeks and two days prior), causing a rip in the space-time continuum.

This results in young Jimmy Young deciding to never become a boxer at all, altering boxing history thusly:

On April 30, 1976, Muhammad Ali — rather than facing Young in Landover, Md., defends in Philadelphia vs. a guy named Chuck Wepner, who in this timeline never fought Ali the year before. Wepner states he only wants to go the distance with the champ and asks people to call him Rocky because of his rocky upbringing in New Jersey. He lasts til the end, says ‘I don’t want one’ when Ali says ‘there ain’t gonna be no rematch’ to him in a clinch, and retires immediately to become an actor. He writes a movie about his own life and stars in it. It sells precisely 141 tickets in its opening two weeks and is the biggest flop in Hollywood history, but it changes the timeline for a young wannabe thespian named Sylvester Stallone, who instead starts a doo-wop group with his brother Frank and they end up joining Sha Na Na and becoming popular musicians.

On March 17, 1977, George Foreman instead fights Duane Bobick in Puerto Rico and knocks him out in the first round, mercifully refusing to batter Duane when he’s out on his feet and asking the referee to step in. This act makes George a pop culture star and at the press conference he announces he has had a vision and is retiring from boxing to become the first televangelist. He amasses millions of followers and viewers with his popular Sunday morning show, where he mixes scripture, sermons and gives grilling tips, eventually marketing the first hibachi grill and becoming the most popular gaijin in Japan. He moves to Tokyo and converts to Buddhism and becomes a reclusive monk.

As for Jimmy Young? He eschews boxing and instead runs for Philadelphia City Counsel and wins, starting a career that will see him quickly become mayor and then governor of Pennsylvania. He then runs for president and beats Ronald Reagan in the general election for president, taking office in 1981. He serves one term and announces a surprise decision to become a professional boxer rather than seeking a second term. He wins a lot of matches as a sort of sideshow attraction and then is invited by the reclusive monk George Foreman to come to Japan, where a match is arranged with young champion Mike Tyson on Feb. 11, 1990, in Tokyo as a 380-1 underdog he shocks the world with a dominant upset win.

Jimmy had borrowed millions from George to bet on himself and becomes the richest man in the world and starts a company that builds electric cars and commercializes space travel, adopting the name Elon.

The rest is history.

 

Patterson would be too dynamic, too fast, too aggressive, for Jimmy Young and would win a decision. Young did well against punchers, but Patterson has a whole host of different skill sets at his disposal.