Manny Pacquiao Vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko @ 140 — Who Takes It?

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Manny Pacquiao Vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko @ 140 — Who Takes It?

  1. Pacquiao By T/KO

  2. Pacquiao By Decision

  3. Lomachenko By T/KO

  4. Lomachenko By Decision

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    No. Sergio acknowledged that Pac was too small for a fight to be made. He wanted Mayweather who is a much bigger fighter.
     
  2. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You're such a fkin dope sometimes u really are.. what weight was that mosley fight ? oh ya 147.. & he looks lean & ripped.. self explanatory.... & Loma is starting to look fleshy even at 135.. so no, they ain't the same size... & you're reaching with the taller thing.. I bet Loma is 5'6 in bare feet... much smaller reach too.. I remember seeing Pac with Rigo once & his head was bigger than the Cubans body :lol:.. keep flogging this out dated dead horse tho dude , one day you'll convince somebody...
     
  3. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Jesus, are you dumb?

    Pac was a lightweight competing at welterweight. It's why almost all of his opponents at 147 said they would beat him based on the significant size advantage. Rios and Thurman said that Pac was really a lightweight. Mikey Garcia said Pac was the same guy on fight night whether he was fighting at 135, 140, or 147. Ray Beltran, a long time sparring partner of Pac's, also said he was really a lightweight.

    Pac is shorter than Lomachenko with a slightly longer reach. And he's probably got a thicker, heavier frame, but the point of my thread is that despite Pac fighting at 147, he was still smaller than the lightweights on fight night that Lomachenko fought. So the size wasn't the issue with the fight — it was the speed, skill, and power that spooked Lomachenko into backing out. Lomachenko knew he'd get violently KO'd and you know that as well, chief.
     
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  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :lol: What?
     
  5. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is he really taller? No photo of them together taken in their Top Rank days?
     
  6. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That fight had Pacquiao showing his different range of skills & combinations, just pure boxing.
     
  7. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Why you confused?
     
  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    He was a welterweight. No confusion.
     
  9. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    He was fighting at welterweight. That don't mean he was a welterweight in size.
     
  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Then I guess Whitaker, Arguello, Armstrong, Pep, Booker, Pryor, Norris, Williams, Gatti, Chavez, Hurtado, Mayweather, Robinson, Marquez, Mosley, Jenkins, Jack, Basilio etc weren't Welters either.
     
  11. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Education time,

    Btw i see the heavy Euro & Loma fans here clamoring together by claiming Pac was juicing for their cope, whatever helps you get through the night.
     
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  12. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    If Pac fought at cruiserweight, would you consider him a cruiserweight?
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Loma is a blown up 126 pounder you weird little obsessed freak. The weight difference between Loma and Inoue is less than it is between between Manny and Loma but you're not claiming they're the same size as each other and Inoue even has a 2'' reach advantage over Loma.

    And if you are claiming they're the same size then you're admitting that Inoue is a massive weight bully.
     
  14. Serge

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    Loma is completely maxed out at 135 and he has no right being at that weight, let alone 140.

    He also has a completely different body type and attributes to Manny who is thick-set and possesses unusual power and has a massive head, wrists, and calves to help him generate that power and absorb the shots of much bigger opponents.

    People talk about Manny moving up from 105 but he turned pro as a malnourished 16 y/o whereas Loma didn't turn pro until he was nearly 26 and he was campaigning down at light-flyweight when he was 16 which is 106lbs same day weigh ins. So that's 8-9 divisions below where he is now

    Add a couple of more on for Manny but don't forget he weighs about 2 divisions more than Loma which Joker keeps trying to convince us he doesn't.



    ''I came across an interesting quote by trainer, Naazim Richardson. This was during the time when Mosley was in training camp for Pacquiao. “They constantly talk about Pacquiao being a little guy. I totally disagree. I’ve said it a 1,000 times and I’ll say it a 1,000 more times. Pacquiao being a little welterweight is like calling Mikey Tyson a little heavyweight. He’s a solid welterweight.”

    What are your thoughts on this quote?

    Pacquiao has always been perceived as the little guy because he is short and started his career at 106 lb., but people forget he was 16 years old when he turned pro. It’s also well chronicled that he grew up in poverty and usually went without eating. Early on in his career he was malnourished and was KO’d twice at 112 and below. He then skips 2 weight divisions and starts his run at 122 where he’s a lot more explosive and durable against much bigger fighters.

    I found a research article (link below) where it says that the size of Pacquiao’s wrists (bigger than most heavyweights) suggests he has a much bigger skeletal frame and bone density than what is obvious to the eye. This correlates to having better punch resistance, more red blood cells in the bone marrow due to denser bones, resulting in better stamina and the ability to carry additional weight. This explains why he was more effective as he climbed up in weight. I found this intriguing, so I figured I would share with you and get your perspective.


    Bread’s Response: Naazim Richardson actually told me this personally. I used to talk to him quite often about fighters. I think he has some points. Pac is obviously not tall. He obviously doesn’t have a long reach. And because he started out at Flyweight(112lbs), he’s viewed as a SMALL welterweight. People equate size with height, length and what weight you fought at.

    Obviously no flyweight has ever been a great welterweight so he deserves immense credit for that. But he has some unique body parts that allow him to compete at the higher weights. I personally think he’s a little smaller than the average welterweight but I think it benefits him. Here is why….

    He has a huge head. His head is like a man who is 200lbs *more like 2000 IMO* . He has huge legs and calves. They are literally freakish. He has big hard fist, wrist and rare forearm strength. Then the rest of his body looks like a guy who should be fighting at lightweight or smaller. So at first look you think he’s small but that’s why great eyes look at things more than once before they assume. So let’s just say he’s compact in key areas.

    You’re also correct on the red blood cells. That is directly in relation to one’s stamina. His bone structure also seems very dense and hard which can fool one because he doesn’t have an intimidating physique except for his legs. And people look at the chest, core and arms for that. So Pac has these huge legs that can be on an NFL running back, moving around this small body. It’s like Michael Phelps having a long torso, with short legs and long arms. Phelps literally genetically built to swim. Pac is not only built to fight but built to move up in weight and shock bigger fighters because his size lies in non descript areas.


    Naazim was on it and he even told me that when he felt Manny’s wrist and fist in the locker room before the Mosley fight, he was worried. He said it felt different than anything he had ever touched felt before or since. True Story.'
     
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  15. JOKER

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    But Arum has tried to make an Inoue-Lomachenko fight, has he?

    And Inoue hasn't said he wants to fight Lomachenko and then move the goalposts multiple times before saying no to the fight altogether, has he?

    And Inoue hasn't fought guys that are bigger than Lomachenko on fight, has he?