Foreman was the most menacing heavyweight of all time. Nobody punched harder than George. I suppose beating Norton, who went 24 rounds with Ali and broke his jaw, doesn't count for much? Right? I'm sorry you guys are having this great difficulty in properly assessing Foreman's excellent defense.
Only really affective against certain styles, and even then he would still get tagged clean often. Foreman’s defense was just never that great.
Yup, it definitely worked against the heavyweight champion of the world. But right, it was just never that great. LMAO! This content is protected
Right?! The level of ignorance here is astounding. What they do is simply dimmish the significance of his wins over Norton and Fraizer. Did you see him level Norton? That was INSANE the way he steamrolled him in the 2nd round. I don't know, that might be one of the most violent knockouts of all time. But that's right, Norton was never a real "challenger" according to the anti- Forman people. ROFL Lets cheer for the boxer who got knocked down 6 times in two rounds. If the fight had continued another round or two George would have severely injured Frazier or even killed him.
We used to have George’s slow cooker. Who said slow doesn’t get the job done? Tortoise FTW. We loved our cooker!!! Foreman stood behind everything he sold - mainly so he could score some of his customer’s cooked food.
Again, Foreman was obviously a bad style match-up for Frazier. It happens. Frazier, did however beat Oscar Bonavena 2x, Eddie Machen, Doug Jones, Buster Mathis, Quarry 2x, Joe Bugner, and Ellis 2x. And of course, he beat Ali, something George didn't even come close to doing, and was never going to do based on what I saw in that fight. I don't even see George beating Jimmy Young in a rematch. Do you see Young beating Frazier if Joe was anywhere near his prime? I don't. I think Frazier's pressure would have been too much for Young. Ali even said he rated Frazier the Greatest alongside himself. Foreman's best wins before the Young loss....Frazier 2x, Norton, Lyle, Dino Dennis maybe?, Chuvalo, and Peralta 2x. Looks to me like Frazier has a little better resume. The two wins over Joe alone don't necessarily put Foreman ahead of him on the ATG list. Styles make fights. Foreman just didn't work out for Frazier.
Whatever fundamentals Foreman was developing they went by the wayside in part because he was knocking everyone out in quick time. George was deeply inhaling and getting high on his own aura. George didn’t exactly fight Ali with much deference to defence, he was trying to kill Muhammad at first bell. Why bother? Many felt Foreman would see Ali off in 2-3 rds, and of course, so did George. That’s not to underrate the quality of Ali’s own offence - super fast and super accurate. No one before pulled off lead rights as Ali did against Foreman in Zaire. Perfect executions and particularly fast in this fight. George was never an El Radar (an El Torpedo-er, yes) but nor was he a George Chuvalo or Ron Stander. You can’t necessarily draw from and apply elsewhere the dynamic and features of the Zaire fight - very unique and arguably only shared between Ali and Foreman on the night.
The way to an individual identity isn’t expressly playing independent shock jock with random outlandish statements which don’t debate the point at hand - rather. you’re attacking the wisdom and motives of other posters in the first instance. Sometimes people actually agree because they recognise the common logic - how banal, how boring, how logical. Now you be a good auto bot and tell us again, ad nauseum, that this is just an echo chamber. That’ll really freshen things up.
Did I not call this? They simply "diminish" Foreman's wins by claiming it was a "bad" match up, again denying Foreman his due credit. It's actually pretty pathetic, what you are doing. They feign with this idea that Foreman's resume isn't very good and typically they mention two or three names to make it look like Foreman had it easy coming through the ranks. Couldn't be farther from the truth, buddy! Please, list your excuses for these "top level" boxers as well, since that's all you can do in your feeble attempt to diminish Foreman's accomplishments. Also, excuse for his gold metal win against the Russian? This should be rich. p.s. you forgot a few names LOL: (all of these boxers fought at a high level) Chuck Wepner? Donald Walheim? Jack O'Halloran? Gregorio Peralta? George Johnson? George Chuvalo? Boone Kirkman? Ken Norton? Ron Lyle? Scott LeDoux? Steve Zouski? Rocky Sekorski? Dwight Muhammad Qawi? Tony Fulilangi? J. B. Williamson? Bert Cooper? Gerry Cooney? Adílson Rodrigues? Pierre Coetzer? Alex Stewart? Michael Moorer? Axel Schulz? Lou Savarese? Shannon Briggs?
Don't push too hard Pugs lest he/she/it runs off for another "reset" and fools us all for about 1-4 days in the new ALT. It's never long however before the well trodden Liston/Foreman bitterness rears its ugly head and childish angst ridden insults emerge for not only the individual but the overall forum as a whole as well. Also look for multiple attempts at mixing with noted posters/mods as he/she/it tries to big time via association
Well, after seeing the list you put out there, I would have to concur that Foreman is hands down the greatest fighter to ever walk the face of the Earth. I mean, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, at 5'5" was the perfect fit at Heavyweight, and no doubt was at his peak there. Donald Walheim, Jack O'Halloran, and George "Scrap Iron" Johnson, who had a 22-28-4 record, but as we all know was robbed in at least 3 or 4 of those fights, all would have been top 10 contenders in today's bum-filled era. Everybody knows that Steve Zouski floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee. Rocky Sekorski wipes the floor with Eddie Machen, Jerry Ellis, and all those other clowns that Frazier beat. J. B. Williamson had a great track record at Heavyweight, and damn near went the distance with "The Thunder from Down Under", Jimmy Thunder. Then of course, there was the Tongan Torpedo, Tony Fulilangi, whose record was littered with HOF fighters from the 80's & 90's....just check out his boxrec page and you'll see what I mean. Chuck Wepner was the most graceful athlete I've ever been privileged to witness, kind of like a heavy-handed Fred Astaire. The fact that Foreman was able to track down a fleet-footed guy like Wepner speaks volumes about his greatness. The opponents I listed for Foreman were before Young (which I mentioned), since that is the version of Foreman that the OP said had no defense, but you're right....when it comes to discussing ATG status, it wouldn't be fair to leave off Rodrigues, Coetzer, Stewart, Moorer, Schultz, Savarese, and Shannon Briggs, who Foreman certain did beat and was robbed, since they're all solid wins, especially considering Foreman's age at the times of those fights. I don't think the versions of Cooney and Cooper he beat are quite as solid as the others, but people can take a look and decide for themselves on that. I'm wondering where Foreman would have ranked on the ATG list if he'd stayed retired after Young, vs. him coming back and winning a belt. His comeback obviously moved him up a few notches. Also, FWIW, I have no problems with Foreman as a person. I found the guy funny, and he's a guy I rooted for in his comeback. I'm just not as impressed with him, outside of his punching power anyway, as you and some of the others on this forum apparently are.
