I believe Jeffries chewed gum in fights to protect his teeth. He can be seen chewing gum in several existing videos.
I’m no expert on this but the interesting thing re this AI software is that it fills in frames between the original, legitimately captured frames. Creators will often say these fillers aren’t real film, rather, they’re predictively generated based on the preceding frame and the proceeding frame. So we haven’t really got new, authentic frames that perhaps tell us better that Ketchel’s punch didn’t land. However, the AI version is still useful in so far as those filler frames are predicting/calculating (along the lines of the science of ballistics) the likely trajectories, paths between the two original frames - the frame fillers primarily employed to create greater fluidity of movement. I guess they have to be careful that certain future tweaks, even though they might enhance the vision, aren’t also misrepresenting the true and original realty. Don’t mind me, just waffling…again….
Ah, I didn’t know that. I’ve heard the chewing of gum being intended to strengthen the jaw. Certainly you can see Jeffries chewing throughout the Johnson fight - he had to lose the gum at some point however due to the constant fill of blood in his mouth.
Yep, that's right. And the significance of this footage isn't getting a better look at the knockdown. To me that's relatively insignificant. It's the first half of the footage where you have pristine (for its time) footage of the fight. And you get to see Johnson absolutely toying with Ketchel using his reach, height, balance, reflexes, stance, and fight IQ. Johnson in this kinda reminds me of Mayweather fighting an exhibition fight. Easy work.
Well it depends on the era. I think if you threw them back to the old school days with the round scheme of 20 and the rules due of the era, Johnson would beat them. Saying “it’s a different sport” goes two ways and they’d be in foreign territory.
His holding techniques remind me of Wlad “The Octopus” Klitschko. Don’t tell me the old-timers can’t match more modern-day boxers in clinching techniques — Jack might could’ve even taught Wlad a trick or two in that area. As for the predictive AI, I’d say it’s about as reliable as bite-mark evidence … which is now generally considered more junk science in court. (Maybe all the talk of teeth lost helped me fill in the missing frames to make that comparison using my own artificial ‘intelligence.’)
Johnson is clearly holding so much in reserve and it’s not difficult to extrapolate how much more he do under greater challenge. I don’t know if the Flynn fight is eligible for the same quality clean up (certainly part of their heads are missing from some sequences - some big time AI required there) but Johnson also does a lot of nice things in that fight - including a very mod. looking, very fast multi punch combo that bounces Flynn’s head this way and that. He took those butts from Flynn like a true Champ also.
The term Artificial Intelligence doesn’t sit well with me. If it’s intelligent, it’s intelligent. Absolute. Maybe non organic intelligence sits better. I had a computer chess game that I could not beat at the highest level. There was nothing artificial about the way it kicked my a** every time.
If you want to get technical, the chess board and all its pieces are artificial. They’re not found as natural rock formations.
Ah, but computer chess doesn’t need an actual board or pieces. And when a material board and it’s pieces are used, they are not the intelligence but mere “pawns” for the intelligence to express and convey itself. I know there are further possible comebacks (thinking ahead, like in chess) but I think this reply sounds pretty cool.
Let’s get down to brass tacks: Bobby Fischer of Spassky vs. Stanley Ketchell of Johnson. No timekeeper. It goes until one man is knocked out or checkmated. Who ya got?
NO, not at all, that's not even what I said. It 'seems' that all you get is the parrying & holding, with only the odd lunging punch here & there. my point was, that the Technolgy and/or the Operation of it SEEMED NOT Able to capture the Fluidity of Noramal Busy Movement! that is what I said. and it is also SEEN in later Film Footage that as the Tech and/or Operating understanding Improved, So Did the Fighters, that is both odd and NOT at all a correct correlation to REAL LIFE. as Old Burt Beinstock used to say "I can ASSURE You, that People, used to Walk, Talk, Run, Eat, S hit and F ck the SAME as they Do NOW and Always Did. That is of course the Literal Truth, People Always Did EXACTLY as We Do, with respect to the Movement and Kinetics of Movement! the EARLY Film obviously for whatever reasons, couldn't capture it!
While L'il Arthur was toying with Ketchel he didn't half make a mess of Stan's mush with his jab. I've never noticed before how fast, accurate and damaging Johnson's jab is
You seem to be stuck on the idea, that the oldtimers were these brilliant boxers, with skills that would put today's boxers to shame... and if this doesn't show up on old footage, it must be because the old film, for som strange reason, wasn't able to capture the fluid movements of the more skillful boxers! Are you really not aware, how silly this sounds?
If Stan has a device shoved up his rear end to have the moves secretly pulsed in code by a Grandmaster from a remote location….he has a chance. Not much of one, but much better than if Stan were to use his own noggin. All his moves would literally come from his a** - his brain centre for the match. If it comes down to physical violence - well, let’s just say, Bobby was a lover…of chess, not a fighter per se. Stan castles him over the head with the overhand right. It all ends bad though. During the match, while being pulsed an extraordinarily complicated set of moves, Stanley spies Spassky and his HOT wife, Natasha (not so surprisingly, the first fake Russian name that comes to mind) in attendance. Stan couldn’t tell if it was the pulsing or Mrs Spassky that suddenly drove his primal urges to a full head of steam. Perhaps it was a bit of both. But there they now were. After the match, Stan gets cosy with Mrs Spassky. She thinks Stan is cute and that he bears some resemblance to Russell Johnson (The Prof. in Gillian’s Island). Eventually, hot head Boris happens upon them and in a fit of foaming rage, shoots Stan stone cold dead. Apologies for the dark humour - I’m feeling a tad melancholic. Rainy days and Mondays.….
