AJ vs the 36-7 yo Holyfield who fought Lennox

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  1. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    In London a Joshua UD all day. Glen Feldman x3.
     
  2. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    Holyfield probably stops AJ.
     
  3. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad? Povetkin?
     
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  4. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Comparing Ruiz to Usyk. I don’t think boxing’s for you.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Learn to write dummy. You are clearly a troll + alt account. What excuses have i made for Joshua dummy? Quote me dummy.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tommy was stopped in the 1st round by a bum like Bent.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I think Ruiz would be tough cuz of his hand speed. A broken clock is right twice a day, and I think eventually Ruiz would catch him. He's also MUCH better at finding the body than AJ. Thing is, Usyk is going to look human against everyone he fights at Heavyweight. Just like Tyson did. It's tough to always fight bigger guys. Tyson was only 5'10.
     
  8. Kishnabe

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    Holyfield that fought Valuelev would beat Peak Joshua.
     
  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad fought a lot of good opponents, Morrison fought a few. With Wlad's opposition Morrison would have been KO'd far more than three times.

    McCall's granite chin didn't come into play against Lewis, he just planted a right hand on Lewis's chin and Lewis was done. Rahman was a better puncher than McCall but he got turned over by J. Ruiz, a post-Ruiz trilogy Holyfield and Maskaev x2, who weren't Klitschko title challengers due to falling at various hurdles.

    The pre-Steward Wlad was not "prime Wlad". The best version of Wlad was the one who made 18 consecutive title defences while hardly ever losing a round, not the one getting KO'd by fringe contenders.

    A HIV+ shopworn Morrison gets KO'd by a shopworn Povetkin. 20 lbs overweight inactive Tua was 5'9 with probably the shortest arms recorded for a HW contender in the last 20 years, Parker's chin holds up and he outpoints him. Wlad still had better feet than Joshua at 41, was bigger, more skilled, more experienced and a bigger puncher than every Lewis contender you listed. Whyte-Rahman is anyone's fight. Ruiz's unique mix of attributes make him a difficult challenge for most fighters with slow feet (most Lewis opponents).

    I was talking about John Ruiz, who was at worst 50-50 with Holyfield coming off the two fights with Lewis. Nobody really believes that John Ruiz would beat Joshua but he outpointed a similar version of Holyfield to the one who fought Lewis, and knocked him down.
     
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  10. joebojoejoeson

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    Wlad and Morrison fought around the same level of opponents up until they were 28. They had basically the same record as well. Wlad continued his career while Morrison contracted HIV and was forced to retire. Morrison as his peak was better than Wlad period. Morrison fought in a better era than Wlad. Morrison destroyed his career and body. Wlad did not. If Wlad would of faced Morrison's opposition he would of been knocked out more. Hell Ross Purrity did knock out Wlad while he only knocked down Morrison but Morrison is called chinny. Then what does that make Wlad.

    Wlad was was 27 or so when he was knocked out by Corrie Sanders. By the time Wlad was 27 he was knocked out 3 times by lesser fighters than the ones who knocked out Morrison. You act like when Wlad started being trained by Steward he started fighting high quality opponents. In reality he didn't. That is why he was able to defend the so called title so long. If Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe ect were still in their primes doing that time frame Wlad would of never won any title.

    Lol also Henry Akinwande and Michael Grant were much bigger than Wladimir. David Tua was 5'10 and who cares how short his arms were? He was a much better fighter than Parker, Joshua, or any other contender you can make now. At least when he was in shape.

    You type in circles. I have no clue to what you are trying to get across. What does Holyfield fighting John Ruiz have to do with Holyfield who fought Lewis? The Holyfield who faced Lennox Lewis was already on the down slide of his career. When he faced Ruiz he was even worse.

    Which has nothing to do with Anthony Joshua vs the Holyfield who fought Lewis. Anthony Joshua couldn't beat Usyk. Even the Holyfield who fought Lewis was leagues above Usyk. Holyfield could chop down the chinny Joshua and stop him.
     
  11. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Morrison as his peak was better than Wlad period."

    Stopped reading there. Not going to waste my time.
     
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  12. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He didn't struggle the first fight, it was basically a shutout.
     
  13. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mercer arguably beat Lewis.
     
  14. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bowe was humiliated twice by Golota, immediately after his second victory over Holyfield. One of the most overrated fighters ever. Almost as overrated as your boy.
     
  15. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Close fight that could go either way, though I think the smart money is on Holyfield outworking Joshua to a narrow points decision.

    Whilst I wouldnt favour it, a late Holyfield stoppage of a tiring Joshua is a distinct possibility too.