1970 Liston vs Mac Foster

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You gave Louis an excuse for losing to Charles and Marciano because "look where he was at that point in his career" despite only being 34 and 37 respectively (while also falsely claiming Louis was champion when he lost to Marciano) but Liston gets no excuses for losing to Leotis Martin, when he was at the very youngest 39 years old....

    You can't make this stuff up.
     
  2. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Where did Chuvalo ever mentioned Cleveland?
    Only in your imagination.
    Far more to the point than a wild punch in an amateur bout are the two knockout victories Foster scored over Cleveland Williams, who, for all that he has seen better days, must still be rated as one of the supreme punchers in the heavyweight ranks. In their first fight, in Fresno last September, Williams ruptured one of Foster's eardrums with a solid blow, but Foster got to him in the fifth round and knocked him out.Their next meeting was two months later in Houston, where Williams is still something of a draw. Foster won the first two rounds, landing lefts and rights with equal facility. Before the third round Williams was instructed by his corner that boxing was getting him nowhere and to use his only remaining weapon of substantial value—the left hook. At the bell he charged off his stool with a barrage of hooks and rights to the head and body and Foster was momentarily stunned—rather more than he likes to admit—by a hook that would have knocked out a lesser man.

    Recovering quickly, Foster took charge once more with a hook that sent Williams down for a count of two. In a matter of seconds Williams was down again, this time while Referee Jimmy Webb counted nine. And Williams was scarcely up once more when Foster blasted him back to the canvas. On the three-knockdown rule, the fight was over. It would have been over in any case because Williams was flat on his back and out.

    "He come in for the kill and he got killed," Foster explained on his way back to the dressing room. There an admirer, eyes shining with esteem, said of Foster: "When he's hit, he retolerates."
     
  3. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Yes I gave Louis excuses because unlike Liston there is no fanboys like defending your hero.
    I found one excuse for Louis, you are going angry mode but when you find thousand excuses for Cleveland the bum Williams and Sonny The Quitter Liston, it is okay ha?
    This is showing how clueless are you.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

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    :lol: Even if your claim that their are "fanboys defending their hero" is true (it's not), this argument makes no sense. Why does one guy get excuses but others who've had it worse don't? Liston and Williams were at least 38 years old, and Williams was literally shot, when they lost to Martin and O'holloran respectively, but you don't cut them any slick, but you give Louis all the excuses in the world for his losses to Charles when he was 36 and 37 respectively.

    And you have the audacity to call others fanboys.
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

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    I've already told you multiple times. Now please show me these interviews where O'holloran said Lyle was the hardest puncher he faced.
    Thank you for proving my point you moron.
     
  6. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    I send you link on youtube where he said it.
    He mentioned Lyle, as someone who was the strongest man to share ring with.
    Foreman also mentioned Lyle and Cleveland Williams same way Jack did.
    Moron?Nothing but insults by stupid fanboy like you.
    I didn't prove your point, I proved that Foster was only tagged and destroyed Williams after that twice.
    I also proved that you did not quote all this so your hero would look better, but when you see full article it's different than things you just quote.
    That's like making highlights of Canelo fighting Mayweather, where he looked good to make him look good but when you watch full fight it's so different than it was in highlights.
    Again, I proved my point but thanks "moron".
     
  7. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    I just once did gave excuse for Louis losses but you are doing that for these two for 3 years, so yeah you are the one who is really fanboy.
    Thanks for proving my point again "moron".
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

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    1. You sent me no such thing.

    2. Even if he said Lyle was the STRONGEST man he'd been in the ring with that doesn't mean he was the hardest puncher.

    You didn't prove anything except that Foster was "hurt more than he would've liked to admit" and "hit by a hook that would've knocked out a lesser man." which further supports my claim

    Article didn't dispute Foster was nearly knocked out.
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    So let me get this straight. Because you're annoyed someone repeats established facts over and over, it automatically becomes false at your behest? Are you God now? Can you change history? :lol:

    Jesus you can't make this stuff up. Go back to telling us how Schmeling threw his fight against Louis.
     
  10. turpinr

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    Ring magazine December 1969/January 1970, Archie Moore who was there said the KO of Liston didn't happen and that Liston was getting the better of the sparring.
     
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  11. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    If that did not happened as Swag would want very badly, why several people in the gym claimed that Foster knocked Liston?
    There is even ring magazine article where it said how Sonny was knocked down by Foster.
    Whilst serving as a sparring partner for Sonny Liston, Foster reportedly knocked out the former world champion.
    The knockout of Sonny Liston at the Oakland Gym by Mac Foster was reportly also seen by his manager and several witness.
    Originally the Liston-Clark fight was scheduled for June.23 but postponed no doubt after the knockout in the gym to July.6.(1968).
    I came across a newspaper article from 1972,when Mac Foster was in Japan getting ready to fight Ali.
    They briefly interviewed one of Foster's sparrring partners there,
    Wayne Kindred
    and asked him who hit harder Liston or Foster and Kindred said Foster.
     
  12. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    I did if I remember good and you could find it on youtube.
    Well Holyfield said that strongest and hardest puncher he fought is Foreman and Ali said that Foreman is strongest after Shavers.
    Lyle was according to Ali and Caldwell as hard puncher as Foreman, and Cleveland was never mentioned or compared with Foreman.
    Article dispute your words because in article no one said that Foster was down but that he was just kicked hard but he then land revenge blow that knocked Williams
    I have read just that Mac was staggered not nearly knocked out as you want to be in your version.
    That is why you quoted just one part of article not full quote about the fight.
     
  13. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    I am not the guy like you who is on this forum for 3 years finding excuses for every bad performance or loss of Liston and Williams unlike you and when I bring just one thing about Louis being so inactive you then accuse me of someone who just find excuses?
     
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