Sonny Liston of the First Ali Fight vs Peak Rocky Marciano

Sure, but Liston was no Willard/Canera, and Rocky no Louis/Dempsey.

 

Prime for Prime, sure, but does the Liston of the night of the Ali fight who was aging, more prone to gassing, and underestimating his opponent still pull it off?

 

But we are discussing the Liston of the Ali fight, whose reflexes and stamina had diminished noticeably. How much of a difference do you suppose this makes in the events of the bout as it certainly would....

 

He was smaller, but Liston was a far harder hitter, far more technically sound, and was overall in a far different league than either Willard or Canera (his chin was certainly better than Canera). Marciano did not have a better chin than Louis, and him hitting harder than Louis is very very debatable, but both Louis and Dempsey have far combo punching, punching accuracy, and defensive skills as well as being proven with better opposition.

 

Liston wasn't knocked out until his fight with Ali, at that point he was significantly older than when Marciano retired. Ali while not a true power puncher, was not a light hitter, he KO'd Foreman after all. Liston was only knocked out by one other man, near the end of his career in his mid-forties at the earliest. Canera was knocked out by several much lesser men while still in his prime. Liston was not.

Marciano wasn't counted out because he never faced a good prime-hard puncher, and certainly not one with technical ability. Name one.
Louis was knocked out once in his prime, after being worn down and outpointed by the skilled Schmelling, a loss he avenged in far more impressive fashion. Louis beat down the hardest hitter of his era, Max Baer who hit far harder than anyone Rocky fought and perhaps Rocky himself.

Walcott and especially Charles fought an aging slow Louis who connected far less than he would have, while Rocky was at his best when they fought, but again it's debatable.

Again, comparing Liston to Canera or Willard is laughable.

 

His hands were blue? Rocky was punching his hands? Where on earth did Ali say that?

 

First off, at no point during this interview does Ali say his hands were blue, as you claimed.

Second, how would Ali having blue hands prove that Marciano could hit hard? All that would prove is that either Ali had very weak skin around his fists, or that Marciano felt like a brick wall when you hit him, neither of which is true whatsoever, and has zero relevance to Marciano's perceived power.

 

Marciano actually did have some Amature experience, though he had more losses then wins.

In what world is your late thirties prime? I guess this is why you think Marciano beat all these greats in their prime. You even say "I don't care how many years he had" so my question is, if your late thirties/early forties is prime, how come Rocky retired at 32? If years don't matter, why didn't rocky keep fighting? I'll wait, but I wont get an answer will I

Show me where their trainer said they had equal power. Marciano fought a "skilled, hard hitter" who was almost forty and had a considerably lower KO percentage than Liston. Oh, but you said Liston doesn't have skills, convenient when you refuse to elaborate.

So let me get this straight. You think the Nazis wanted Schmelling to LOSE in a match that was to gain Germany the HW crown, and further boost the Aryan race? There's no way you actually believe what you are saying.

If by "alcohol addict" you mean he drank as much as everyone else did at the time then yes. If by "outshaped" you mean fresh off losing his title and trying to stay at the top to get it back then yes. If by "gave Louis hell" you meant took a very one-sided beating until the Ref intervened than you are correct. Anything is possible when you lie!

Being unable to read the reasons I provided as to why the Ali fight Liston "MIGHT" be able to beat Rocky is actually laughable.