Will Anthony Joshua hold a title again before he retires?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Nov 11, 2022.


?

Poll closed Nov 21, 2022.
  1. Yes, by hook or by crook

    53.8%
  2. No, he's finished

    46.2%
  1. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,963
    7,699
    Jan 8, 2021
    Yeah I reckon the belts fracture in 2024 and he'll get a soft ball title fight against Ortiz or someone idk. The organisations like having Joshua as their champion so they'll give him a relatively easy path to success.

    Hearn will call it the greatest comeback in the history of boxing and Brand AJ will be up and running once more.
     
    Greg Price99 likes this.
  2. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

    1,475
    1,652
    Dec 8, 2018
    Totally.
     
    Kiwi Casual likes this.
  3. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

    1,475
    1,652
    Dec 8, 2018
    If Fury and Joshua fought in the next year or two it wouldn’t shock me if AJ actually won that fight.

    Fury seems generally overrated by most at the moment and Joshua underrated.

    I don’t think that fight plays out the same way as most do with Fury winning easy.

    Don’t think Joshua beats any version of Usyk tho.
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  4. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

    10,802
    12,177
    Oct 18, 2008
    Eddie will call up Dustin Nichols for a title eliminator ,so probably yes. Saying that, wouldn't surprise me if the big dopey bodybuilder walks into another checkbook, and it's lights out! lol another world record, and even fatter heavweight champion of the world!
     
  5. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,424
    2,580
    Nov 28, 2015
    Joshua has 1 upset loss to Ruiz and 2 defeats to Usyk which imo where expected with the depth of Usyks skill set going against Joshua’s well known flaws. Chances are Usyk and Fury retire next year (Fury won’t stay retired and be back in a year or so later).The Heavyweight landscape will then be wide open with likely Wilder Joyce and with a couple of the guys on the way up all in the mix and if Joshua gets his mind right as well as his hunger back to continue boxing it is possible he could get his hands on a belt again . I can definitely see all the belts fracturing if not next year then the year after and Joshua could well grab a belt which would not surprise me .
     
  6. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,437
    6,341
    Apr 23, 2020
    What makes you think Fury was ducking Joshua? Wilder has been on record for accepting lesser money fighting Fury than Joshua, but why Fury?

    This post screams "it's my party and I'll cry if I want to".
     
  7. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    5,764
    7,723
    Aug 3, 2019
    What a load of absolute rubbish.

    Martin, Takam, Molina, Breazeale and Pulev are all rubbish opposition, as is a 300 pounds Andy Ruiz. Parker was utterly toothless. Povetkin had just been dropped by David Price.

    "He's fought the best competition around apart from Fury and Wilder" is like saying that you have the best hair in a town full of bald men apart from the two blokes who have hair.
     
    chico g likes this.
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,250
    2,275
    Oct 9, 2022
    Back then, 20-80 with Joshua would have been a higher payday for Wilder than 50-50 with Fury but of course Wilder's team were not going to go for 20%, or even 40% with Joshua as the clear A-side in Britain. Hearn wasn't offering 50-50 to Wilder or Fury until one beat the other, allowing Joshua to skip a very dangerous fight. So the team Wilder plan was beat Fury for 50-50 then we'll get Joshua at 50-50 and the status of the bout will be elevated due to Wilder's win over the 27-0 lineal champ. This was, in theory, the way best for Wilder's team to maximise revenue. But Wilder got a draw against Fury, Joshua got destroyed by Ruiz, Wilder lost the Fury rematch etc.
     
  9. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,437
    6,341
    Apr 23, 2020
    Didn't the Joshua offer come after the first Fury fight though? I might have misread your post, haven't had coffee yet.
     
  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,250
    2,275
    Oct 9, 2022
    With these offers the Devil is in the details. Prior to Fury-Wilder 2, Hearn was talking about 70-30 splits, one-way rematch clauses, any and all fights in Britain/London etc. aka the Parker deal and that bout was marred by obvious corruption.
     
  11. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,437
    6,341
    Apr 23, 2020
    Cheers.
     
    Redbeard7 likes this.
  12. Particle Man

    Particle Man Member Full Member

    241
    232
    Jan 27, 2019
    The Southern Area Heavyweight Championship is vacant so if he is lightly enough matched he might just scrape through and win that title.
     
    Redbeard7 likes this.
  13. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    60,167
    80,234
    Aug 21, 2012
    Although I favour a good version of Fury, I think he's within the scope of AJ to beat.
     
    JDub likes this.
  14. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,974
    4,730
    Feb 10, 2020
    I disagree that he could have easily ducked Usyk.

    Because he actually tried. Hearn threatened to drop the WBO belt, and Warren/Joyce were also trying to cut in the line with the WBO's help. Everyone was pushing for undisputed. Usyk was having none of it, though, and pressed his mandatory claim. I recall on here, I was among a tiny minority that was championing for Usyk to get what he was due. (I always side with the mandatory challenger who climbed the ladder when it is obvious the gov bodies and A-sides are screwing them).

    However, everything else you have said is spot on. To think it was Joshua that was doing the ducking of Wilder and Fury 2017-2020, it's one of three things: they weren't following the public negotiations, they were incapable of following the public negotiations, or they followed the negotiations but just have an agenda to push.

    It's hard to ignore that Wilder and Fury publicly stated they would freeze Joshua out. Then throw in that Wilder's admissions on social media actually support that they followed through on such threats.

    Of course maybe none of this happened, we are living on an alternative timeline and it was always Joshua at fault (the big stiff idiot)...
     
  15. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,974
    4,730
    Feb 10, 2020
    You are correct, it did.

    They were already offering Wilder a two way rematch clause end of 2018.
    Dec 10, 2018:
    https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-next-fight-eddie-hearn-april-13-latest-news-watch-video-highlights-prediction-a8675921.html?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16682505034590&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-next-fight-eddie-hearn-april-13-latest-news-watch-video-highlights-prediction-a8675921.html

    And again it was prior to the second Fury fight that Wilder declined 100m.
    March 2019:
    https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/deon...dible-100m-deal-fight-anthony-joshua-8909737/

    Complaints that Joshua wasn't offering enough money to a fighter with no track record of PPV sales are always decontextualised. Did Canelo give GGG 50-50? Nope. Did Floyd give Pacquiao 50-50? Nope. Wilder didn't have the profile or track record of moving the needle in his own country let alone on an international stage. It was Fury who introduced him to big time boxing.
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2022
    ad4m88 likes this.