Wilder-Ruiz is a comical mismatch

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough. We should have a better idea when we see it.
     
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  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I'm actually glad this is happening. An actual ****ing fight for Wilder rather than a bum.

    It will be interesting to see how Ruiz chin holds up vs Wilder.

    This will be a good indicator as to how good Wilder really is tbh. His only decent win is Ortiz, and despite Ortiz being obviously good he's never really fought anyone besides Wilder and Ruiz and lost.

    If he can KO Ruiz then Wilder probably claims #3 spot for an impressive recent win. Ruiz and Ortiz wins would be decent proof you're top 5 quality. These are the sorts of caliber of opponent Joshua has had over wilder for while yet I still think Wlad and Povetkin were better.
     
  3. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Also Ruiz is not 5ft 11, he's 6ft 2, only a little shorter than 6ft 4 Ortiz.
     
  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ortiz is not 6'4, he was billed as being 188cm in a world championship amateur bout. Ruiz is waaaaay overbilled, he's 6' at absolute most.

    Mike Tyson was often billed as being just a hair under 6' but even the commentators said "he's actually closer to 5'9". These figures have always been inaccurate.
     
  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most would agree that 2 wins over Wlad and Povetkin are better than 2 wins over Ortiz but Joshua's losses are worse and officially more numerous.

    Ruiz will look like a bum in there with Wilder, I don't think Ruiz is better than Stiverne based on the Arreola fights. He's certainly nowhere near as good as Fury x3 and not as good as Ortiz x2. Wilder's average opponent since the start of 2018 has been better than Ruiz.

    You can say that Wlad "never really beat anyone" too. I regard this kind of talk as being moronic. Ortiz was beating the same guys that other highly ranked heavyweights were fighting and showing superior skills and power to pretty much all of them.
     
  6. Entaowed

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    Someone sparred with Ruiz & said he was a hair shorter than him, & he was 6'2".
    I would not be surprised if that is true, since people so wide/fat look shorter than they are.
    Tyson may have been exactly between those figures.
    I have heard 5'10".5 a few times, but if not, he was likely a 1/2" shorter.
     
  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think people also overestimate their own heights. We know for a fact that billed height figures are often inaccurate because for one thing, there are widely different figures given.

    https://www.celebheights.com/s/Mike-Tyson-1161.html

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    So those two figures alone provide a height range of 1.75 inches for Tyson.

    Was Ortiz 188cm/a shade under 6'2 as advertised in the world championships? Or is he 6'4? Or is he a bit over 6'3 as the 193cm figure often provided suggests?

    If Ruiz is a genuine 6'2, Ortiz looks about 6'5:

    https://www.fightmag.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/andy-ruiz-jr-vs-luis-ortiz-faceoff.jpg
     
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  8. Gomo

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    If wilder wins then I will be surprised and will have to admit he's half decent. I've always felt wilder was useless and his losses to fury haven't shown me anything other than a good chin and heart. Ortiz soundly outboxed him twice, I fancy ruiz will beat him easily. We shall see
     
  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Ortiz is an extremely good boxer. If he wasn't 100 years old he would be a force and people would rightfully duck him because he isn't a draw...yet Wilder fought him and regardless of how tough it was he sparko'd the guy. There is way more to Wilder than meets the eye.
     
  10. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wilder's skills are limited, but you are waaaaay off on him not even being half decent.
    Even without facing the best fighter available, he would not have gotten all those wins & title defenses if he was not among the elite, the few best HW fighters in the world.
    Also recall virtually everyone's resume is picked apart-now AJ, Fury also supposedly fought nobody, Usyk is obviously only recently-& very infrequently-fighting at HW.

    Problem is, you have confused adding up skills-or subtracting for deficits-with an accurate assessment of ability.
    I was never a fan-& as a person he has significant deficits...
    But it is like say in Basketball if one guy is completely average, but can somehow catch & always block the ball 5 feet higher than anyone else.
    Just the ability to KO most everyone anytime in a fight with that right makes near the very top, despite all the boxing talents he is missing.
    And this is delivered due to his height, length, speed & explosiveness.
    Of course there is also chin & heart.

    I would like to see Ruiz win, but it seems more sensible to make Wilder the favorite.
    You will see that it was always unrealistic to think Ruiz "handles him easily".
     
  11. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Neet/short round triangle theories are both in full effect and completely ignored in the same paragraph. Yet more dribble from the basement dweller.
     
  12. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Some terrific points made by @Redbeard7

    It's always a pleasure to read such logical messages. :beer-toast1:
     
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  13. Vegan Beast

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    Sure but that's because Wilder hasn't fought the same level of opposition though. His only tough fight besides Fury was Ortiz, and he was almost KO'd by him in 2018.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "his losses to fury haven't shown me anything other than a good chin and heart"

    Compare Wilder's losses to Fury to Chisora and Whyte's, he's in a different class altogether. Chisora and Whyte by contrast are either slightly better or worse than Parker, who is very much in Ruiz's class.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On paper Ruiz was not a strong opponent; he would have been a wide underdog against 2018 Ortiz and an underdog against 2015 Stiverne. Ruiz is the kind of opponent that Wilder should make easy work of.

    And Fury was not a tough fight, it was three tough fights. I suspect that Joshua would have more losses than his current three if he'd fought Wilder's opponents.