IBF orders Oleksandr Usyk vs Filip Hrgovic

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Perkin Warbeck, Nov 12, 2022.


Hrgovic vs Usyk: who will win?

Poll closed Apr 10, 2023.
  1. Usyk by decision

    70.2%
  2. Usyk by stoppage

    20.7%
  3. Hrgovic by decision

    3.3%
  4. Hrgovic by stoppage

    3.3%
  5. Close matchup, difficult to predict

    2.5%
  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Now that's a fight! I like Hrgovic to win on points if it happens. He's probably get a knockdown in the process and hurt Usyk to the body and he take a good punch to the head, but can be hurt much easier to the body. His weakness was shown before. Few know that. Hrgovic has a good body punch

    Winner of a tough fights vs Zhang that included a wet ring, and a cuffing shot behind the head / push the cost him a knockdown and a accidentally clash of heads he rose up to win . And he wasn't himself for the fight with the lingering death of his father making it hard for him to focus.

    That is behind.
     
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  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    No, it doesn't make sense that they just give it to him, because Hrgovic did nothing to earn a title eliminator in the first place. He was avoided because he was high risk low reward, and he was low reward because he's done nothing to earn any shot at anyone.

    They shouldn't have tried to make bigger fighters fight hrgovic, they should have made him work his way up the ranks gradually. But they didn't, they immediately tried to get him a shot, and since he's not a big name, that means the reward for fighting him is low, and his risk is not understood yet, that's why he was ducked. Because fighters would not be adequately compensated for risking fighting him.

    Zhang struggled against Jerry Forrest ffs.

    Now Hrgovic is a mandatory and we potentially have to watch one of the big boys slap this kid around in a meaningless fight. The general public don't want to see Hrgovic, he's not done anything to prove himself, he looked 2nd best against Zhang.

    I guarantee you more people would want to watch Zhang fight than Hrgovic.
     
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  3. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From your mouth to God's ears...
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Hrgovic beat top ten ring magazine ranked Zhang ( he is ranked inside the too ten as well ) and took five 0's as in undefeated fighters records. He has worked his way up by today's standards and many fighter declined to right him. Which bigger fights can be made? None! Fury won't fight a man in his prime that ranked ( omit the fat slob he beat in the last outing )

    He wasn't to form in the last outing but that is behind him. I didn't realize Zhang was so popular outside of China where 30+ million people watched the fight with Hrgovic.
     
  5. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Rofl what did Zhang do to deserve being ranked 10?

    The ****er struggled vs Jerry Forrest.

    He's an entertaining fighter to watch, but beating him should not qualify you for a title shot at all.

    Needless to say if you're struggling against Zhang, you've got literally 0 chance against Fury, Usyk, Joshua, Wilder, Joyce etc.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Would you rather have Wilder or Fury title defenses ( no vs each other ) , Fury vs Chisora age 38 for the third time. Looking back at who they fought most old and unranked ring magazine men, Hrgovic is a breath of fresh air. And he's only on his 16th fight. More accomplish after 16 pro fights than just about anyone.

    I already stated why Hrgovic had problems vs Zhang. For ones Zhang is good! Secondly the death of his late father made it tough for him ti focus. Thirdly the ring apron was wet, limiting motility. Fourth Zhangs' knock downs in round one came form a blow behind the head and push. And there was a class of heads in round three.

    Hrgovic overcame all of the above and is stronger beccuase of it. Review all four points because they are 100% true. He'll beat Joshua and Wilder now! And he's decisions Joyce. Fury or Usyk if the dare are fights for Hrgovic. I'm not sure they will! Ruiz, and Parker said no thanks to a fights with Hrgovic and Hunter jr back out of a fight for the IBF eliminator! Who give up an offer to fight for a world tilt when you have none? The fighters know and speak highly of Hrgovic when sparing with him.

    I think your overrating a lot of names and under rating Hrgovic.
     
  7. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree that this mandatory is lack luster. But the IBF were left we little choice in terms of who it ended up being.

    I also understand that how the IBF split worked it made Hrgovic a very unattractive proposition for bigger fighters like Parker and Ortiz. But let's be honest, the issue started with the PBC happy to promote Martin v Ortiz as an IBF eliminator, then decided it was in their interests for Ortiz to swerve the IBF final eliminator against Hrgovic through "injury". The IBF went down the list and no one wanted it. As you say, Hrgovic was viewed as high risk - low reward. Finally, Zhang lobbied the IBF to get the fight, seeing it for the great opportunity that it was.

    Look at it this way, Ortiz was one fight away from being the IBF mandatory, so too was Parker, but they chose a different route and came up short. Parker chose to go the WBO route, which even if he beat Joyce would have still put him behind the IBF mandatory. And Ortiz chose to go the WBC route which put him even further away from a title shot. Ultimately, they chose short money.

    Personally, I thought Zhang deserved an immediate rematch with Hrgovic. But it's been nearly two years without an IBF mandatory. So it is what it is. Champions are expected defend their belts.

    Anyway, it's likely this could all have been avoided if Fury and Usyk had just both signed up for Undisputed early next year. (I still hold out hope that there will be an announcement after the Chisora fight, not that I'll be watching)
     
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  8. fruitandnutcase

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    This move is clearly designed to make Hrgovic-AJ for the vacant IBF. Hearn pretending it's 2016, trying to recreate AJmania (he's even trying to line up AJ-Whyte 2), but he doesn't seem to realise quite how washed out AJ is

    Fury not only fighting Chisora again, but making it out to be this big deal, coupled with nothing set in stone for the Usyk fight, probably also helped. I doubt Hearn could've pressured the IBF if both Fury and Usyk were making the right noises
     
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  9. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hrgovic became a victim of criticism and underestimation due to one bad fight, Zhang was a man of 6'6 and 125 kg and a silver Olympian, we know that fight was not Hrgovic's best edition, but against Usyk it will be better, Hrgovic must not succumb to criticism he has to enter the ring with maximum focus without being distracted by anything, and then he will have a chance...
     
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  10. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Under rating Hrgovic? Did you not see him struggle to scrape a narrow victory over 50 year old Zhang?

    He only won due to Zhang gassing out late due to age.

    If he thinks he'd do better in different conditions, he should call out Zhang for a rematch, but there was booing in the crowd at the end because of the bull**** 115-112 scorecards which were none-sense. It's clear who the crowd thought the winner was, and who the real star of the show as, and it wasn't Hrgovic.

    Scraping a win vs Zhang is not proof of anything other than that is probably your level.

    Hrgovic isn't a breath of fresh air, all the exciting moments of the fight came from Zhang's chin absorbing Hrgovic's best shots and Zhang landing massive counter shots and knocking Hrgovic down.

    Zhang was the star of the show. I saw nothing really impressive about hrgovic, other than he's an ok boxer, that's it. There's nothing about him that makes me believe he will be a start or threaten anyone along the lines of Fury or Usyk.

    He looks vulnerable and open, and Zhang came close to hurting him badly.
     
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  11. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Now it's obvious that it wasn't the contract, nor the deadline from Fury's side to fail his fight with AJ, but the dirty pathetic games of Eddie Hearn: [url]Filip Hrgovic Won't Step Aside For Usyk Vs. Fury Says Eddie Hearn - Boxing News 24[/url]. Let see if the federations keep to their principles letting an unification fight to go first before a mandatory defense.

    This mid-level Hrgovic should step aside after his shameful performance against Zhang - how does he sees himself keeping up the pace with Usyk? He'll also be remembered as the sh*t boxer who ruined an unification bout between two great boxers.

    Imagine the scenario: Usyk accepts the defense and it happens around March 2023 - this postpones his bout with Fury. Fury however accepts for some time in the summer. Then suddenly WBC decides in the very last moment, as it used to do when it comes to Fury, but not Wilder, that Fury has to defend his title against the winner of Wilder-Ruiz. So then we have Fury-Usyk in 2024 at best if ever happens, but keeping in mind Joshua will be crying for titles and Usyk will still be holding several of them, so will be eventually mandated another defense...
     
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  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    You aren't considering the circumstances! Zhang would be Wilder best opponent not named Fury. In fact taking them as opponents Zhagb is the best Fury or Wilder has fought in 5 years. It would not surprise me if Wilder was iced by Zhang at all and Zhang is 38 now.

    Hrgovic won by 2 points on my card despite the knock down being scored was which if iffy. If you want to compare score cards, round by round I'm game. Careful now because I will used punch stats to show where you scored wrong. You can submit your full score first if you care to.

    -Mendoza
     
  13. fencik45

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    That is like saying Whyte ducked Wallin to fight Fury. even dumber, since Hrgovic already fought Zhang once. The only reason to turn down a title shot is if you can cherry pick an easier one via a different org.
     
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  14. fencik45

    fencik45 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury didn't agree on less money. He priced and timed himself out of both the Usyk and Joshua fights, so he could defend against one of two bums who in no way deserve another title shot.
     
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  15. drenlou

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    Its like saying ducking zhang mayne.