Douglas' weight vs Holyfield

If you quit trying to look like such a damn smartass, you could actually learn something if you bothered to ask people to explain something to you instead of posting nonsense that just make yourself look like a joke here.

No, Bowe sure as hell wasnt no unranked, unknown fighter but the fact was he was unlike Douglas, seen as been untested and no one that saw his previous fights knew how good he really was or could be.He struggled against a past his best Tubbs in what was probably his best win and won his shot against Holyfield by beating the tough but decidedly beatable Cortzer. This is why Holyfield was the betting favourite going into the fight. Holyfield’s team thought that Bowe been such a big man that it would be easier to outspeed him and outbox him from the start before wearing him down in the latter stages. This is why they made the mistake of coming in lighter than his more recent previous fights to gain more speed. Too light it soon became apparent as Bowe used his strength and big weight advantage to good use.Bowe was a revelation that night. No one including Holyfields team or anyone watching that night, going solely by his previous fights, could have foreseen that Bowe had such good boxing ability, solid chin, stamina and fighting heart. You lying if you say differently and this is why I said Holyfield and his team were unprepared and would have come up with a different fight plan if they knew just how good Bowe turned out to be that night.

 

That is quite possible. I watched the bout again last nite. Buster's timing was way off but at the same time Evander was very sharp and fast. He was ready.
I loved how when Douglas threw a jab Holyfield always countered with 2 or 3 jabs. He made him very tenative.

 

I apologize about my sarcasm but I still disagree with you - Holyfield was ready and very prepared for Bowe unlike Douglas who was totally unprepared for Holyfield. In my opinion the Tokyo version of Douglas would have likely beaten Holyfield or at worst lost a close competitive decision.

 

In this interview with Buster, around the 3:27 mark, he says that he lost 40+ lbs just to get down to the 246 that he weighed on fight night.

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There's something to having a lot of experience that helps you stay calm in the ring, regulate your breathing better, prolong your stamina. Look at Foreman in his second career. Never a stamina issue despite being ~ 275lbs at the end.

 

Apparently he ordered 70$ worth of food to sauna in which he was supposed to lose weight.

 

His effort going into the fight sucked, as did him laying on his back and taking the count. I'm not saying he didn't try, just not very hard.

 

I just read an old sports illustrated article about this and here’s the quote:

"What makes you gain weight?" Douglas was asked before the fight. "Second and third helpings," he replied. Steve Wynn, the Mirage owner who paid Douglas more than $19 million to defend his title against Holyfield (who would earn some $8 million), was concerned enough about Douglas's girth to offer the champion private use of a hotel sauna. Wynn's concern turned to dismay when he discovered that Douglas called room service from the sauna on one occasion and ordered $98 worth of food.

 

I agree except that Foreman was heavier although losing weight when starting his comeback-he was something like 325 lbs. I believe before it started.
He was 260 vs. Briggs at the end, & am unaware if he was much, or at all heavier in his bouts towards the end.
I cannot find his weight vs. Grimsley yet, his second to last fight.

EDIT: thanks Charles White, he was "only" 253.

 

253 lbs

 

I think the 246 was a bit high. Came in not in perfect shape

 

That's possible, Evander might still have won but it'd have been a much tougher fight . The Buster that beat Tyson actually FOUGHT Mike and backed him up on several occasions. Knowing the history of Buster Douglas when I heard he had weighed in at 246 pounds I knew that he had physically and mentally checked out and was unprepared for this fight . And sure enough the first solid right hand that lands and Buster was done. And the fighter that beat Mike Tyson was never seen again.....

 

Buster earned $24mil for that fight, in 1990. Google says that's around $55mil in today's money. I can understand showing up to get your $55mil payday and not caring what happens because you're going to be retired at the end of the night.

 

A guy who brought his A game one time in his career had an understanding that he was going to have to do it twice and the thought of doing that against Evander Holyfield mentally destroyed him and his ability to try hard in his preparation. Evander Holyfield scared him worse than Tyson did. I want you to think about that. Holyfield's mental game? Off the charts. Smartest fighter in history. Evander's IQ>everyone, pound for pound.

 

It was a big question mark which Douglas we would get for the fight, since he had a reputation for being inconsistent. That he was 13 lbs of fat heavier than for the Tyson fight was a clear indication that he wasn't in shape, that's why it was such a talking point.