It's hard to take you seriously when you say things like Floyd is better than Duran, Roberto is a consensus top 5 all time pound for pound fighter among historians of the sport. and the greatest lightweight of all time ,Greb? many consider him the best middleweight of all time and a solid top 5 ,some say 2nd pound for pound behind Ray Robinson. Now that's the truth.......
I think this comes down to durability. Greb can take a ungodly amount of punishment. Mayweather could win on points but I think he'd have a hard time keeping away from the windmill for 12 or 15 rounds. Mayweather wins if it goes the full 12 or 15, Greb could win by stoppage or ko as absurd it may sound.
This is a h2h thread in regard to Greb. Mayweather is also a top 15 pfp and you know where the thread is that details my opinion on that. I'm not going to derail this thread with an off topic discussion.
I never said that I’d seen him fight. Floyd struggled with Maidana, just 8 months after outclassing a better fighter than Maidana, in Canelo. Two years later, he easily beat a better fighter than Maidana, in Manny. Why? Styles. I never said that I knew the guys who Greb lost to. The point is, you’re clearly implying that the 18 losses is relevant, as it’s a high number, but without purposely acknowledging that he’d had about 300 fights. Let me ask you this: Why would you even reference Canelo in one of your points, when you know that from every single available account, Canelo and Greb fought absolutely nothing alike? Do you not realise how weak and irrelevant you pointing out that Greb and Canelo were of a similar size is?? Just because Canelo and Greb were of a similar size, and Floyd easily beat Canelo, that is not proof that he’d also have beaten Greb too. It’s just completely and utterly irrelevant. It would be like favouring Manny to have beaten the version of Bernard Hopkins who beat Oscar, based on him having beaten Margarito. No. I don’t favour everyone over Floyd. I just ask you to look at the stylistic match up. Something that you never ever do. I wasn’t comparing Floyd to AJ. I was merely highlighting the fact that an out of shape guy with man boobs, beat a superior athlete, based upon styles.
I haven't visited this forum for only half a week and this is what I come back to ? Floyd would rather host a strip club event (with himself as the main dancer) than fight a prime, prepared and resentful Greb.
It’s nothing to do with that. You’re just doing what you always do. Someone noted that Greb was about 160-168. And you have dismissed it by saying that Floyd had already beaten a fighter in Canelo, who weighed that amount, or even more. Yes. You are correct. But once again, seeing as though Canelo and Greb were completely different fighters, with completely different styles and attributes, it’s of no relevance at all. Again, Floyd easily beating a 168 plus pound Canelo, does not mean that he could have beaten Greb. You want to imply that the results would have been the same, purely based on size, but nothing else. Basically, you are a very ignorant boxing fan.
You first did then you said Foreman would beat him late.I think you are just jealous because Foreman would beat your boy Tyson. Goat?He ducked best fighters of his time and did not gave black guys chance for the title unlike Greb who went 49-0 in one year,beat most HOFamers history and fought more while not ducking anyone. Greb is the true GOAT.
No I didn't you moron. And Foreman only beats Tyson in your dreams. SRR ducked no one, stop talking out of your arse as usual.
He would beat their ass because he is bigger and faster than anyone they faced. Greb is not small LW Duran he would smoke Hagler.Same would happen to the rest of the guys who lost against smaller man while Greb never did. He would beat the worse than a Tunney who is bigger and more skillful than those guys. Yeah like George Foreman could not be a champion in 90s at 50 years old.You are underrating old fighters and Greb is not just old but a GOAT. He would smoke steroid bums that are tired after 5 rounds. Tunney is top 3 LHW after Ezzard and Moore and is one of the top 20 hws yeah he is a joke compared to those bums. Maybe with baseball bat or a knife otherwise he would kill those two stiff bums who do not posses any skills. Excuses just like always. If he was not prepared why there are footages of him in camp? Also Douglas is a bum and him beating everyone today proves today fighters are biggest bums in history. Douglas was stopped by Holyfield in 3 and by Tucker so he is nothing to be mentioned except on list of one hit wonders. Maybe but Williams was who? He beat Tillis but if that was a 12 or 15 round fight he would lose on scorecards and he struggled with Golota who is nothing but a punchbag. Nope that would happen and you would be butt hurt. Both you and SerbianLoudMouth are two dummies except he thinks that Jerry Quarry would beat Tyson or Holmes and you think that your boy is not beatable but there are many HWs who would beat his arse. Archie more and few others. There are people who live more than 60s years except you never know that?
Again dummie he ducked Burley,Zale and everyone from black murderers row. Learn history please or do not post a comments dumb like this. Yes you did. Foreman would **** Tyson so much that would make you, his fans cry because that ha haa.
Ray Robinson. Whilst Ray was champion the following men were ranked Charley Burley,Holman Wiliams,Cocoa Kid,Artie Towne,Bert Lytell,Dave Sands,Steve Belloise.Seven challengers Ray fought none of them, though he twice agreed to fight Belloise it never happened the first fight was postponed when Ray's sparring partner tiger Wade beat him up on the street after Ray tried to short change him for his spar work,Ray pulled out of the rescheduled fight. Cocoa Kid was ranked in the top ten as either a light ,welter or middle weight for 81 months between 1933 -1947.Title shots none. Robinson agreed to fight the Kid on April17th 1949, Ray ran out ,the fight was rescheduled forMay24th Ray ran out on that too. The Kid dropped then Welter champ Ray in sparring probably not a wise move. Cocoa kid found himself working as a sparring partner for Tony Zale and Marcel Cerdan. "Ray ducked me. George Gainford (Ray's manager) admitted that much. But, I can't say I blame him. There wasn't no money in us fighting each other. All we would have done is knock each other off." "You know, to me the most remarkable thing about Ray's career is that he didn't even get a shot at the welterweight title til he was 26- or the middleweight title til' he was 30! You think he was the greatest? What do you think he'd a been if he'd gotten his chances when he deserved them? You wanna know the truth? If I coulda' got my shot, I wouldn't have risked it fighting someone like Ray." It's from the chapter "Robinson Ducks" in this book. Charley Burley (Who Ray ducked and of whom Ray said the famous line "I'm too pretty to fight Burley, had the fight taken place in 1942, what would the outcome be?) Holman Williams (not sure if they ever had an agreement to fight but it would be a very ineresting bout nontheless, who takes it?) Jack Chase (by the time Sugar was on the scene this man was a middleweight, still Robinson fought middleweight Lamotta while a welter himself) Lloyd Marshell (also a middleweight, Burley who fought him said it was his roughest fight who takes it) Cocoa Kid (who dropped a peak sugar ray during a sparring session, this was when Cocoa was himself over the hill and inactive at 36. Robbie used him as a aparring partner in the late 40s. Sugar was supposed to meet him in the ring when still active but bolted at the last minute.) Bert Lytell (a middleweight contender, there was no obligation for sugar to fight him, il admit i just added this one out of curiosity.) Tiger Wade (a another who sugar used in the late 40s as a sparring partner, semi-retired, He seperated Robinson's sixth and seventh ribs in a spar, this was when he was old! Robinson actually fought him when he was a faded old man and was KOd by a similar shot to the ribs, before that was he was on the floor 5 times in 3 rounds, the fight was in 1950, but what it he was at his peak, would would the outcome of the fight be were they both in their prime.)
Did Greb even fight relevant black fighters? I see he beat Blackburn in 1915, and went 0-3 against Norfolk and Tiger Flowers about a decade later. Seems suspect.
Yeah, you answered it yourself. He is 1-1 against Norfolk, the loss being a DQ, with Norfolk fouling just as bad, the ref quit his job right after and the whole crowd booed. He was 1-2 against Flowers with both losses being controversial, and he was at the tail end of his career having already fought in 300 fights and being blind in one eye. Did Floyd fight any pressure fighters that didn't respect his power and were willing to rough him up ? Oh wait he did, and he barely managed to win against them, despite both being nothing special at all. But he was kinda past his prime against Maidana, and that played a big part right ? But Greb "losing" while fully blind in one eye and after a 300 fights worth of wear and tear ? Oh yeah, now that's totally fair to put against him. Your bias is showing.
