Harry Greb vs Floyd Mayweather jr jr jr

This has to be a joke thread?

Or am I the only one who thinks even a prime Mosley or a prime de la Hoya would be favored over Floyd?

 

Probably not, but fans will be fans.

 

Like I said he ducked them.
Ray Robinson.
Whilst Ray was champion the following men were ranked
Charley Burley,Holman Wiliams,Cocoa Kid,Artie Towne,Bert Lytell,Dave Sands,Steve Belloise.Seven challengers Ray fought none of them, though he twice agreed to fight Belloise it never happened the first fight was postponed when Ray's sparring partner tiger Wade beat him up on the street after Ray tried to short change him for his spar work,Ray pulled out of the rescheduled fight.
Cocoa Kid was ranked in the top ten as either a light ,welter or middle weight for 81 months between 1933 -1947.Title shots none.
Robinson agreed to fight the Kid on April17th 1949, Ray ran out ,the fight was rescheduled forMay24th Ray ran out on that too.
The Kid dropped then Welter champ Ray in sparring probably not a wise move. Cocoa kid found himself working as a sparring partner for Tony Zale and Marcel Cerdan.
"Ray ducked me. George Gainford (Ray's manager) admitted that much. But, I can't say I blame him. There wasn't no money in us fighting each other. All we would have done is knock each other off."

"You know, to me the most remarkable thing about Ray's career is that he didn't even get a shot at the welterweight title til he was 26- or the middleweight title til' he was 30! You think he was the greatest? What do you think he'd a been if he'd gotten his chances when he deserved them? You wanna know the truth? If I coulda' got my shot, I wouldn't have risked it fighting someone like Ray."


It's from the chapter "Robinson Ducks" in this book.

Charley Burley (Who Ray ducked and of whom Ray said the famous line "I'm too pretty to fight Burley, had the fight taken place in 1942, what would the outcome be?)

Holman Williams (not sure if they ever had an agreement to fight but it would be a very ineresting bout nontheless, who takes it?)

Jack Chase (by the time Sugar was on the scene this man was a middleweight, still Robinson fought middleweight Lamotta while a welter himself)

Lloyd Marshell (also a middleweight, Burley who fought him said it was his roughest fight who takes it)

Cocoa Kid (who dropped a peak sugar ray during a sparring session, this was when Cocoa was himself over the hill and inactive at 36. Robbie used him as a aparring partner in the late 40s. Sugar was supposed to meet him in the ring when still active but bolted at the last minute.)

Bert Lytell (a middleweight contender, there was no obligation for sugar to fight him, il admit i just added this one out of curiosity.)

Tiger Wade (a another who sugar used in the late 40s as a sparring partner, semi-retired, He seperated Robinson's sixth and seventh ribs in a spar, this was when he was old! Robinson actually fought him when he was a faded old man and was KOd by a similar shot to the ribs, before that was he was on the floor 5 times in 3 rounds, the fight was in 1950, but what it he was at his peak, would would the outcome of the fight be were they both in their prime.)

 

He is not slightly bigger he is 15 pounds bigger and that is a lot again.
He was faster because he was faster than Calzaghe and Calzaghe was faster than Leonard.
Greb was twice better than Calzaghe.

Tunney invented those skills and used them better against man bigger than him while those you mentioned never dared fighting bigger MWs let alone LHWs.
Only delusional person here is you.

Nope he won because he would knock Moorer sooner or later and was a champion unlike Tyson who was 17 years younger could not be champ again which proves how overrated he is.
He was maybe outboxed but not outmuscled and win is what matters not what you say.
Only records counts while excuses...you could just whine with them but a win is a win.
Didnt that LHW beat Holyfield and Cooper?

He would smoked all those guys because he was smoking guys twice bigger than himself and those guys you mentioned are way too small to fight him.
Again when these fought bigger guys?Let alone stop top 3 LHWs of all time.

Nope, that would be reality and I think you would pull your hair out of anger.

Excuses again.
If he was not preparing what was he doing there?Oh he was probably a tourist right?
He was well prepared and Doulgas beat him that is what counts not excuses you Tysonites use every time.
Tyson later also admitted that he was training for Douglas and that story with Japanese girls was just a tale.
Holyfield beat him,Tucker and few lesser fighters did too.
Holyfield also stopped Tillis while Tyson was unable to do that so what is your next excuse?

Not only Archie did said that but Billy Conn said too.

 

Greb I’d say. It’s obvious that the hands can’t hit what the eyes have never seen.

 

Greb was a mix of Duran / Norris.

Mayweather has no chance.

 

15 lbs is a lot when boxers are similarly skilled. Greb is nowhere near as skilled as modern boxers, thus it don't mean anything.

No proof whatsoever Greb was faster than Calzaghe, and Calzaghe certainly wasn't faster than SRL.

Only in your delusional mind.

Tunney fought in a weak era, against poorly skilled opposition by modern standards, that's why he could do it. Put him in the late 60s onwards and he gets beaten to a pulp.

A supposition that could only be made by a clueless person like yourself.
If Moorer's ego hadn't gotten the better of him, Foreman would have never landed anything.

Tyson did regain the championship in 96, but you're too clueless to know that.

What Moore said is irrelevant, he didn't have a measuring device.
And do show some proof Moore actually said that, you've dodged this time and time again.

And to conclude: Greb stands no chance whatsoever against a modern boxer.

 

15lbs is a lot, that why Hearns beat Duran and LaMotta beats Robinson even knowing he was not skilled as Robinson.
Greb is even by old standards more skilled than Today boxers but with new nutrition,equipment and steroids he would kill them.

Calzaghe was faster than Leonard ask anyone even on video he looks faster, and according to people who saw them both stated Greb was much faster than Calzaghe.

Nope, according to Conn and Moore and Greb is also p4p better than Calzaghe.

Tunney would beat many HWs from 60 70s even Ali said that, and he was the one whom Ali liked style wise.
Tunney also beat Dempsey and he was better than any modern LHW.

Nope, that proves that even when he was older he was better than Tyson who was 17 years older.He did what much younger Tyson could not and even struggled less than Tyson.
He beat Morrer and that is what counts and Moorer was a champ.

Only clueless is you,Foreman beat him and that is what counts not what you want make it look like.
If,coulda,woulda...that is not what counts but actually happened and Foreman beat Moorer fair and square.

Did he beat Holyfield?
Was he anything but a contender and was he ever champion again?
Nope.
His championship after beating 3 tomato cans was very fast taken showing that he was overrated.

But he did have eyes and he is more valid than what you think.
Moore is a boxing trainer and great boxer so his opinion is more valid than your.

Search yourself what Moore and Conn said about Greb, I would not waste my time with you.
Dempsey and Johnson also praised Greb so your opinion is not valid.

He would kill them and embarrass them so much that you would never even think to have a boxing debate.
BTW modern MWs and WWs would get killed by any division 20s,30,40s,50s,60s,60s,80s and 90s proving how overrated modern boxers are.

 

Only in your delusional mind.

 

Nope he would like old Foreman beat 2 decades younger generations, Greb would not have a problem just like SRR would not.

 

The only joke is that people can't grasp that boxers have evolved over time. Greb was good for his little era. Mayweather is good for his era. Compared to any modern boxer Greb would be considered a amateur. Mayweather is overrated compared to various modern boxers but Greb is no where near the skill level of Mayweather.

 

Wait so you are one of the few people here with a functioning brain. No boxer from the 1910's, 1920's could compete with any modern boxer when it comes to skill.

 

I am still gonna say that training clip of Greb looks awful, totally amateurish. guy looks like a novice

 

Did you know Greb was called amateurish in his day by boxing scribes. I have done a little re-search on the man, do you know he had a jumping an and out style, and combined it with never ending high volume of punches with a speed described as very fast. Not to mention he has naturally bigger, and elusive. A hard to time in his day fighter in his day vs verified hall of fame opponents. Mayweather's weakness as shown vs Jose Luis Castillo ( he lost it on my card ) and that match was at light weight vs. a pressure fighter willing to mix it often ( Such as Greb did ). He was exposed big time.

If things got rough, Greb was a master dirty fighter mixing in elbows, his head, and low blows into his style in a way to make the appear un-intentional! --- for the most part. Things that Mayweather did too. Well he did use his elbow when things got rough as you will see below.

I would pay big money to see " money " go fight an opponent like this! He never would in my opinion. Not a chance.

• Referee Vic Drakulich took a point away from Castillo for hitting on the break in the eighth round. In the tenth round, Drakulich deducted a point from Mayweather for using his elbows.
• The crowd booed the decision.
• [url]HBO[/url]'s unofficial scorer [url]Harold Lederman[/url] had Castillo winning 115-111

 

Just checked. Mayweather went 2-0 against Castillo, winning the first fight while injured. Looks like he won the second fight even more easily.

I also can't find any real proof that Greb fought like Castillo, although there is a clip of him looking like a mental patient with gloves on.