Harry Greb vs Floyd Mayweather jr jr jr

Tunney would destroy Floyd Mayweater, but he had his hands full with Greb until the end or the series. Greb butted Tunney. Tunney's corner said this after the fight to the press.

Anyway Greb is too big for Mayweather and way to rough. He was also lighting fast and weaved in various fouls ( low blows, head butts, and elbows, and thumbs into his style ) into his style. I have the newspapers quotes for this and more, just in case a Greb zealot says it is not so and can link some of it for the readers. Greb would do some usual things in there like get behind his opponent and strike them. The ref is major fights had to meet with Greb prior to the fight and let him down what is not allowed in some fights he was " tame " because of this. Mayweatther would foul back ( and did in some fights ) but he's out gunned here...big time

 

The lack of footage really bothers some people. And that’s understandable. But for me, the footage of his opponents is the crucial part. And that along with the eye witness testimony, is enough for me to genuinely believe how great he was, and to believe his style in which it’s described.

I’d like to believe that I’m a logically thinking person.

From everything that I’ve ever read on Greb, I’m absolutely certain, that based upon styles, that he’d have given Floyd huge issues, where he could even have beaten him.

It’s just really baffling to me, that people will dismiss this outright, just purely on the basis of when Greb fought.

To me, that is so incredibly ignorant.

People are just dismissing Greb solely on the basis that he fought 100 years ago.

Instead of looking at how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically, they’re instead making an assumption just based upon the amount of time there is between the two eras.

To me, these people aren’t true boxing fans.

 

He was great for his era.

 

Yeah if he actually fought like that sparring vid shows, I'd bet on any of the numerous ATGs he beat, to beat him. And I'd be broke lol.

His era was far far far superior to what we have today.

 

LOL

 

But like I said many times, the eye test don't lie, those men from the past look so bad compared to modern ones (from the past few decades), they just aren't as skilled.

 

Over 12 rounds with modern day reffing Floyd would take this guy to school.

Greb never seen that skill level in his lifetime. He might do better after 5 or 6 losses

 

His era is a joke compared to modern ones.

 

What Super MW today do you see beating Tunney or Loughran or some ATG LH from that era (since they would weigh around the same)?

 

Unfortunately, regarding Greb, we haven’t got the eye test to go on. So I have no issue with people being skeptical. But again, we have footage of his opponents, many, many descriptions of him from numerous respectable people, as well as knowing who Floyd had issues with, and why.

So let’s be logical for a moment.

Let’s concentrate on the stylistic match up.

We saw Floyd have a hard time with guys like Maidana, who were rough and dirty, and who pressured him. A guy who wasn’t particularly skilful, in regards to technical skills.

So why is it silly for people to think that Greb couldn’t have bothered Floyd at all?


I’d honestly like to debate this with you.

Tell me why it’s illogical for people to think that Greb could have bothered Floyd, based about what we know of his style.


You cannot write him off completely, just because he fought decades ago.

The right blend of styles and attributes can bother anybody.

Every fighter has a stylistic nemesis.

You have proof of that all throughout the sport’s history.


Floyd embarrassed Canelo, but then struggled with Maidana, before then going on to easily beat Manny.

Thomas Hearns beat Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benitez and Virgil Hill, yet lost to Iran Barkley twice.


You can’t claim that nobody from the past could have troubled or beaten Floyd, because of an assumption that every modern day fighter is more skilled than everyone of the past.

1. You’re simply wrong. Not EVERY modern day fighter is more skilled than EVERY fighter from the past.

2. Even if you were correct, again, a lesser skilled fighter could still have won, again, based on their style and their attributes.


Now you keep talking about skills.

You keep talking about the eye test.

Yet you dismiss a guy like Joe Louis from the 1940’s, who from a technical standpoint, was one of the most skilled HW’s of all time.

He had a lot more skill than both Joe Frazier and Deontay Wilder.

On the eye test, he looked superior to both of them.

Yet Wilder and Frazier both had great success based on their overall attributes and style.


The major difference between Greb’s era and today, is that they wore different gloves, under different conditions, with less weight classes.

However, if we transported the best fighters of Greb’s era into today’s era, where we put them in their correct weight classes, then there is no reason to believe that they couldn’t have found some success.

Dempsey could be successful today at LHW-CW.

Benny Leonard and Jimmy Wilde could be successful today at their respected weights.

There’s simply no reason to dismiss them outright, based on your opinion of a perceived lack of skills, when again, there’s been modern champions who have found success without being greatly skilled, and the true elites of the game such as Floyd, have been troubled by these lesser skilled guys.


You can’t label people as being nostalgic, when you yourself are being ignorant.

 

It’s not as simple as that though my good man.

Look at his attributes and his style.

Look at some of Floyd’s fights throughout his career.


I’ve researched Greb’s career for a long time. And the lack of footage is incredibly frustrating. But again, along with the footage of his opponents, as well as eye witness testimony from various respected resources, we can build a realistic picture of what he was like.

Do we think that Marcos Maidana at WW was on another level to Harry Greb, who fought competent fighters much bigger than himself, and who gave Jack Dempsey a hard time in sparring?

Maidana was a basic guy in terms of technical skills, who could be crude at times.

So if a crude WW could cause Floyd huge trouble, less than a year after he’d embarrassed Canelo, then why is it inconceivable to believe that a 160 pound Greb could also have troubled him?

A man who had 300 fights, and who was utterly fearless, who was dirty and rough, and who had an insane engine, where he backed people up and unloaded huge volume upon them.

There’s no logical reason to believe that Greb couldn’t have caused Floyd any issues at all.

We know that the right blend of style and attributes can bother guys who possess elite level skills.


A crude Sam Peter had success against much more skilled opposition.

A crude Ricardo Mayorga had success against much more skilled opposition.


Off topic, have you seen the WBO thread?

I thought I might have seen you on there, dropping the old Darrin Morris debacle. Ha! (no disrespect intended to that poor guy)

 

Im basing my judgment on the style back then which imo isn't even up to Marcos Maidana scratch. That was a very crude time in boxing when many skills had yet to develop.

Darrin Morris!! I forgot about that debacle completely. Gonna take a look now!

 

I don’t believe that Harry was particularly skilled from a technical standpoint.

He was no great all time technician.

It was more his style and his unique attributes that made him the success that he was.


There were some skilled fighters back then though.

Gene Tunney was skilled.

By all accounts, Jimmy Wilde was skilled.

Benny Leonard was very skilled.

We also have footage of Jack Dempsey.

We’ve seen much more modern HW’s with less skills.


Yeah, get on it. Ha!

The WBO were a joke back then.

 

When I said modern boxers, I meant from the 80s onwards. So to answer your question: RJJ, Canelo, Toney, Calzaghe, Benn, Ward, B-Hop, Froch, Kessler, Eubank, etc

 

I'm curious to know... what exactly made Greb's era far far far superior to today?