Kick Someone Out of this Top Heavyweight ATG list.

It’s not so much the fighters that they both beat it’s more so the eras that Johnson and Marciano fought in,Wlad just does not have the dog in him to compete with them two in there own eras .

 

That all depends on if you think Ali truly ever beat Norton ?

 

Come off of it. Everyone did that stuff back then. Don’t you remember Ali having eye problems vs Liston? Liston did everything Ali did and more. And so did most fighters back then.

 

Don`t you think being the first Blackman to be heavyweight champion,and the only unbeaten heavyweight champion is historically significant?

 

I really enjoy watching his old fights and he seemed like s 'salt of the earth' type bloke but you are absolutely correct, he fought mostly bums and his only noteworthy named opponents were old as ****.
I'm a fan but his resume pales against other ATG's.

 

Yep, I was a fan of his but no one can ever tell me he didn't have a terrible chin. He didn't box the way he did because he had confidence in his chin. He reigned so long but used tactics needed to avoid getting tapped on that mandable! Longevity alone gives him ATG status but his chin was terrible.

 

Head to head? Wlad takes out Frazier, Marciano, Johnson and maybe Holyfield imo.

 

Johnson.

Why so many votes for Wlad? I'm by no means a fan, but he's clearly a top 10 all-time HW.

 

Johnson is the odd man out.
Ducked all the good fighters after becoming champion. Poor title reign (various newspaper draws and even KO’d in an exhibition). Very weak chin as he was KO’d by middleweights. His only legacy is cherry-picking an old, retired Jeffries and dragging the sport into immense disrepute.

 

That’s your opinion, like I posted he does not beat any of those fighters in there own eras .

 

Easy one for me. Jack Johnson

 

Yes it's my opinion, that's why I said in my opinion, but then you follow up with your opinion as a fact.. Hmm..

 

Based on his steroid usage I'd vote for Holyfield.

 

Same señor