Is GGG a top 10 Middleweight of all time

No offence but this was hotly debated just a few weeks ago that went on for pages and pages, use search fuction and you'll see all the different opinions.

 

Nah, he is great but not top 10 great. MW is a historically rich division

 

of course he is, in a 150 years of Boxing History, you'd be hard pressed to find 9 middleweights better than him.

personally I'd say he is 1 of 100s...

but who cares about the 10's of 1000's of fighters who laced em up over that 150 year period, with at least 20% of them being GREAT Fighters, yeah who cares about all of them.

 

Top ten defied by history and defending his belt many and beating a good amount of ring magazine ranked fighters, which is the gold standard for beating fighters in you time, yes he is,

I never seen some name 10 names who beat better ring magazine ranked contenders. I say this excuse the Ring Magazine is a benchmark, and title defenses are a bench mark. Fair is fair. Anyone care to give it a go under these parameters? Not calling any posters out, rater the silence means I have my points. I welcome that, it's how we learn.

I also judge who a fighter lost to and how he performed giving some leeway to AGE of the fighter AND his opponents.

 

Bruh he litteraly beat no one. He ducked Saunders he lost to Canelo though it was controversial and so ended up having a thin resume,

 

Resume wise he isn’t.
Head to head I think he gives anyone a fight, but can’t make my mind up whether he breaks the top ten.
He’ll always be a bit of an enigma.

 

Can you please list ten better resumes @ middleweight?

 

Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Robinson
Marvin Hagler
Harry Greb
Emile Griffith
Nino Benvenuti
Gene Fullmer
Holman Williams
Joey Giardello
Sumbu Kalambay
Randy Turpin
Bobo Olson
etc etc etc

just from the top of my head, there's loads more. David Lemiuex, Daniel Geale, Ryoto Murata and Daniel Jacobs just isnt a good resume. You can argue even BJS has a better resume in a shorter time span in Andy Lee, Chris Eubank Jr, David Lemiuex and John Ryder.

 

I said it before and I say it again: yes he is top 10. Meets the eyetest 100%, ducked by a ton of people in his prime, most title defences in MW history. Can't ask for much more. He just went the distance against a P4P guy in a higher division in his first jump to the full 168 weight as a pro and finished strong at 40 years old. He's a pro through and through. His chin, stamina, power and technique are all a 9 or 10 on a scale out of ten.

 

How many ring magazine contenders did Benenuti, Olson beat? How many title defenses did they make? How many losses under 35 do they have. If you don't have the time, or tools I can help. The same questions for Griffith, Giardello, and Kamabay? You'll find GGG rates quite well.

 

I think I have him 12. Definitely top 15. I'm not home to check for certain, but I am certain on my top 11 from memory. :

Monzon
Greb
Hagler

SRR
Hopkins
Mike Gibbons
Ketchel

Steele
Ryan
Burley
Holman Williams

Only fights at or around 160 (I.e. MW title fights and where both fighters weigh under 164lbs in non title fights) factor into my ranking criteria. H2H across different eras dont factor at all.

I suspect there will be both posters who think I have GGG too high (as the names on his win resume are not as highly regarded historically as those on the win resumes as others, for e.g. LaMotta) and too low (based on H2H and/or number of ranked MWs beaten). I take some solace in that.

 

I would say Ryan, Ketchel , and M Gibbons really don't belong. And Willams lost a bunch.

How many ring magazine contenders did Gibbons and Willams beat? How many title defenses did they make? How many losses under 35 do they have. If you don't have the time, or tools I can help. The same questions for Steele?

 

Steele is one of my obscure favourites. He beat some decent guys and the living daylights out of a thick sandwich of filler in between. He looks good in the film that survives of him. iirc he had few losses.