Is Vitali Kiltschko an all time top 10 heavy weight?

Louis Ortiz. . Barely lost a round in his career. Is he top 10 atg as well?

 

like flypaper, I say.

 

Was he a longtime Heavyweight champion? Nope.

He lost plenty of times, Vitali lost twice to injury but was ahead in both of those fights. Sorry, not a close comparison.

Vitali fought 47 times, every style, and maybe lost 10 rounds total. I am not sure what people are looking for in the definition of " domination " - but that comes pretty close.

 

Sturm made 12 defences over a 5 years reign. Is he top 10 MW ATG?

Arthur Abraham made 11 defences over 4 year reign. Is he top MW ATG?

In his prime he only lost to one man by Knockout. He won all the rounds he wasn't knocked out in. In his prime he hardly lost a single round because fought Vitali level opponents.

Incorrect. Vitali is the one guy where a range of different styles does not apply. Every single opponent he hand selected was either shot to bits or a come forward non-athletic C leveller.
There is no range of styles on his record. In fact the only skilled awkward guy he fought have him his first loss. And he never avenged it.

Joshua is just one guy would blast through Vitali's win column easier , quicker and more savagely.

 

The best guy Vitali fought was Lewis, and he lost. Lewis looked like absolute crap that night - slow, fat, very old & in the last fight of his career, but still found a way to win. It means zero if Vitali was winning till the stoppage, I could see lots of guys beating that version of Lennox.

Apart from Byrd (who is like a poor man's Jimmy Young to me), everyone else Vitali fought pretty much sucked.

I still go with rating him around 20 or so and that includes H2H because winning the large % of rounds in your career does not make you an ATG H2H fighter - your level of competition does.

 

The Ring-ranked fighters that Vitali beat were terrible fighters imo, with exception of Sanders, who was good. Not great, but good.

Ring ranked fighters are good competition in the particular era and for that particular era only. It doesn't mean Ring ranked competition is always high quality across eras, agreed?

 

Common dude are you really going to use Vaughn Bean and the exhumed remains of Larry Donald to make your case? You can do better

 

Vaughn Bean fought Evander years before fighting Vitali. Larry Donald fought Bowe years before facing Vitali. And both had padded records. Neither of them should have been top 30 at the time of the vitali meetings though I don’t know what they were ranked.

 

Not true for Donald. He had a very long prime and his best performance probably came against Valuev or Evander late in his career. He was endlessly top 20 material.

 

A losing effort to Valuev and a win over an ancient Holyfield who had only fought once in two years and had only won two of his last eight fights. Hale to the great Sir Lawrence Donald

 

Vitali is the only one to stop him. Outside of that, he only lost to Povetkin, Valuev (disputed), Kirk Johnson (undefeated), and Bowe. He'd ud Lou Nova.