Jack Sharkey (Dempsey fight), Vs Marciano?

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  1. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Sharks fought a great fight against Dempsey but he was unpredictable and perhaps under a certain threshold of duress atop an already precarious mental state, he was more prone to lose his sh*t.

    @KernowWarrior highlighted exactly what I was thinking also - Sharkey would find cause to complain about fouls a lot more vs Marciano than he did vs Dempsey.

    It’d be a good to and fro fight for a certain period, say 8-9 rounds maybe, but Rocky will remain strong and steady as Jack begins to slowly break down. I’d guess a TKO rd 10 for Marciano.
     
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  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    To think Pug that Jack had the last name of Sharkey way before Mike Tyson killed Sharks for sport. Ha Ha.
     
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  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You know there was a guy named Tom before Jack??? This Tom was a pretty good fighter though he was short of winning the world title.
     
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  4. Pugguy

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    And here’s Jack training and then shaking hands with his namesake and idol, the original gob, Tom…”My mother said, to get things done, you’d better not mess with Sailor Tom, My mother said…etc.”

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  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tom is all bandage up>???? Wonder what happen?? It's been years since he retired, so it could not be a boxing match lol.

    Seeing Jack and Tom really reminds us we are only a few handshakes from the time of George Washington. My Great Grandad told me of the civil war vets he meet when they were alive, and I am sure being in the 1860's, they meet the revolutionary war vets of the 1780's.
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  6. Pugguy

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    Good pick up. Tom was about 54 yo in the clip. I could take a wild shot and wonder if he was a drinker and had a fall. Otherwise, he possibly still got in the ring for light exhibitions and maybe caught one accidentally.

    That footage of the civil war vets is amazing. The guy that did most of the talking was quite a character. Different breed back then.
     
  7. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I know in the late 1920s Tom Sharkey and James J Jefferies did do Vaudeville but i could never imagine either genteel fellows hurting anyone .....could you?
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  8. Fergy

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    Think that's it, mate. Jacks mental state. Against Rocky, those wild shots of Marciano s, maybe take him right out of his game plan.
    Plus the sheer brutal power of Marciano, its enough to demoralise some of the strongest guys.
     
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  9. Pugguy

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    Yep, Rocky was a different animal Ferg.

    I think it would be hard to find anyone who fought anything like he did.

    That would be good for Rock because, no matter who you’d fought before, you’d only know what you were in for against Marciano when you actually stepped into the ring to face him - and what you were in for would be downright scary - every inch of your body would be eligible for incessantly applied punishment.
     
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  10. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And why does Jeffries looks like he has more boxing ability here in this mock fight with Sharkey than the real one with Johnson? Here you can see him moving around and well boxing where vs Johnson he was just in slugger mode??
     
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Definitely mate. Can't imagine what it must have felt like being in the ring when him!
    Constant pain!
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    Marciano would butter this guy. Different levels!
     
  13. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Well i would guess that he knows that Sharkey is not intent on hitting him, and the 'fight' is brief in length, plus this was part of the vaudeville show the pair put on, so entertainment being the intent.

    Jefferies knew that Johnson would give him a masterclass in boxing if he tried to be the boxer, so reverted to his tried and tested method of taking punches to land punches.

    Jefferies knew that the Johnson fight was over possibly 45 rounds, that is a hell of a lot of time for a former overweight retired boxer to cope with, and Jefferies is reported to have stated his intent of getting Johnson out of there quickly, that suggested brawn not fancy boxing.
     
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  14. Pugguy

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    When we talk the great intimidators, we often cite the usual suspects, Liston, Foreman and Tyson.

    Both their purposely threatening demeanours and prior performances in the ring were enough to put fear into their opposition before opening bell.

    Rocky never played the psychological intimidation game - but what he did in the ring had to prey on the minds of future opposition.

    At least in that regard, I would think Rocky carried a good measure of intimidation around with him - without even trying.

    Certainly, in their rematch, it seemed Jersey Joe - who still looked in great shape, age notwithstanding - decided that he didn’t want a replay of their first brutal fight - and therefore he stayed down for the count after the KD..…

    Who could blame him? He could’ve literally been suffering from PTSD as a consequence of their first fight.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Walcott's handlers said he froze,in the dressing room he wouldn't talk. He was like a dead man walking.I don't think his body had the same muscle tone it had in their first fight.
    Marciano ruined a lot of guys.Cockell,Lastarza,Charles,Layne, were never the same afterwards.Systematic beatings will do that.
     
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