Has Mike Tyson ever got off the canvas to win a fight?

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So all the reports that Tyson was drugging it up, frantically nailing all the local female population, & dropped in sparring & looked trrible, AND had to crash diet just to look good-but was weakened by rapid weight loss-are false?!
     
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  2. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    It was Tyson himself who said a few years ago that he had been basically confined to his hotel room the whole time. Did he lie decades later? Why? He confirmed that was hooking up with hotel maids exactly because he was bored - no boozing, not doing drugs, no partying, nothing.

    What dramatic and rapid weight loss did he have to do when he was just barely a pound heavier than when he fought Williams a few months earlier? He weighed in at 220.5 lbs. He was 219.25 against Williams. Hell, he was 221.25 against Berbick and destroyed him in two rounds. How is his weight for the Douglas fight is anything extraordinary? And why was some drastic weight loss necessary, did he secretly balloon up by 50 lbs in three months that he then needed to quickly lose in a month? Nonsense. There's a reason why Tyson only claimed this in 1990, straight after the loss, under the influence of King, and never ever since, not once. This whole story about his weight gain and rapid weight loss is simply not true.

    These rumours were all started by Don King, along with the "Douglas received a long count" lie. This latter one is finally not popping up anymore since YouTube is full of side-by-side videos proving that Tyson received exactly the same count. But this was one of the main points of Tyson fanboys - Buster and his long count, this nonsense was around for almost three decades.

    In reality, Tyson was a protected fighter by the establishment. Not by cherry-picking his opponents, no. But look at the scorecards. Douglas beat the breaks off him for ten straight rounds. Tyson won what, on round, maybe two rounds if you are generous and pushing it. And one of the scorecards had Tyson leading by 87-86 and another one had the fight at a draw by 86-86. What on Earth those judging were watching? Don King had them in his pocket, the whole boxing establishment was so corrupted by King in Tysons's favour. King is generally viewed as the devil by Tyson fans, yet the only time they believed all rumours and false statements he started about the reasons and the background for a Tyson fight was the first time when Tyson lost. How convenient.

    Also, it's tiresome how the only fighter whose losses or subpar performances are always somehow excused is Mike Tyson. Oh, the boozing, oh, Cus died, oh, Rooney wasn't around anymore. Nobody ever has a bad camp but it's always Tyson's state of mind, and his difficulties during camp and this and that and the other.

    Douglas was literally going through hell, he was definitely in a worse physical and mental state than Tyson during that time (he had just three days to grieve and bury his mother before travelling to Japan - three days!) but still pulled off a miracle by beating Tyson fair and square. That's it - everything else is hot air.
     
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  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike Tyson is a wise elder of the Murican civilization.

    He may not have gotten off the canvas in a fight, but he came back heroically from losing all his money by giving wise-elder talks around the world and making that cartoon about caring for pigeons. Fellow Muricans helped him 'reboot' his 'brand' and now he's able to lead a new generation of Muricans with his pithy quotes about raping, eating ears, threatening to eat people's children, loving fornication, loving drugs, tattoo-ing your face, roiding and getting away with it by using a rubber willy to supply the samples, and of course caring for pigeons.

    One day Muricans will erect statues of him in every third-world city they govern.

    Long live Mike Tyson, symbol of American Exceptionalism and the future of the USA.
     
  4. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    OK thanks, I am glad I provoked such a thorough response from someone! :polutxoso:
    Seriously I wondered how the details could be false, & you gave a good account.
    You are pretty new here, so tell us how you managed to find us/arrive!

    As for the weight issue, what he weighed in ring is irrelevant, since I was describing weight loss to look good.
    And it need not be anything like 60 lbs. Douglas himself was only 15 lbs. heavier months later against Holyfield (although he likely lost a little muscle too, so it amounted to morenin fat tissue).
    But you believe Tyson did not crash dieting? OK.

    The things you describe as listed excusing Tyson's poor performances are also used by objective people to explain-very reasonable in most cases-not to excuse responsibility or him from blame.

    As for the fight itself-& I am not a skilled scorer so I ask sincerely-I have no doubt that King had the judges at least unspokenly (sic) corrupt. King basically IS the devil (or among the worst sociopaths the sport has produced) lol!

    But do you also think most folks here were biased?
    According to you, one round in Tyson's favor is most accurate-the average of many ratings here is more than a couple.
    [url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/mike-tyson-vs-buster-douglas[/url]
     
  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Hold on there. You are using a stereotypically biased term to insult Tyson.
    I am no Tyson hero worshipper.
    But you betray extreme prejudice here.
    Obviously Tyson always denied ****-& nobody was there to know-so you saying he in part gave talks about raping is wrong.
    I could excuse "eating" ears as a humorous & obvious overstatement.

    Not this, nor what is either a lie about using steroids-or you somehow not knowing he copped to cheating tests with recreational-if anything de-enhancing-drugs.

    Then you throw in a put down for our whole nation.
    I have deep critiques of America, but this is a one-sided Hate-Festival.
     
  6. Safin

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    Mike Tyson never beat any top opponents. Spinks, Bruno, old Holmes etc? Such an overrated boxer.
     
  7. JunlongXiFan

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    Yeah, once. Let me tell you, he does not find the whip-cream in face prank very funny.
     
  8. J Jones

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    Spinks and Holmes are first-ballot Hall of Fame fighters. Tyson haters downplay his 91-second KO against Spinks. However, these same people would downgrade Tyson further had he not quickly ended Spinks.

    Signed one of Tyson's harshest critics.
     
  9. Marcus S.

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    No. He obviously went down in the Douglas match, the first Holyfield match and the Lewis match. We all know Tyson lost all of those matches by KO. I also think he went down in the McBride and Williams matches before he retired.
     
  10. spravedlivylev

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    Messages about how Lewis “ducked” Vitali incoming in 3…2…1…
     
  11. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Not that version of Holmes though. He was pushing 40 and out of the ring for almost two years, lured back by Don King who offered him a huge sum, only to screw Larry over and sneakily move the fight forward by a month suddenly once Larry agreed, leaving him with barely a month to prepare for the fight. It was an always going to end badly for Larry under these dishonest circumstances. Of course, a few years later when Larry got rid off the ring rust and was back in fighting shape again (he was ancient and still have a hell of a fight to Holyfield and Mercer), Don King didn’t want anything to do with him.
     
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    Bruno buzzed him, Tucker lifted him off his feet with that uppercut in the first round and Bonecrusher wobbled him at the very end of their fight…
    I wish Bonecrusher had just gone all out from the start of the fight rather than just trying to survive.
    That man could punch…

    I always thought all the trouble surrounding Buster actually helped him in their fight.
    With his wife being critically ill and his mum just dieing, I think Buster looked on Tyson as being just a man instead of an unbeatable monster…
    Fighting Tyson was no big deal compared to all the other s**t going on in his life.

    Tyson and Buster almost fought year before…
    Tyson was scheduled to fight the winner of Tucker versus Buster and Buster was ahead on points when he was stopped…
    I think if Tyson had fought Buster instead of Tucker at that time, he would have demolished him and history would be quite different.
     
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  13. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ^This^
    Lewis beat everyone he ever faced, something very few heavies can say.
     
  14. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson was partying like mad as soon as he landed in Japan with Bobby Brown etc before the Douglas fight,he had also been terrible in sparring and badly knocked down by Greg Page iirc,sure there was a rumour that the sparring partners pooled there money and bet against him. Douglas did nothing before the Tyson fight and nothing after he just got Tyson at the right time,it was clear Tyson was never the same fighter without Rooney and it was inevitable he was going to lose at some point as he was no longer dedicated and lost to drink/drugs with the partying lifestyle .
    [url]https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj4p621pIb8AhV5QUEAHd6nBJAQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-tyson-buster-douglas-fight-27124026&usg=AOvVaw32t1xxoePwA0DrBRB8Qtk1[/url]

    [url]https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-tyson-buster-douglas-fight-27124026[/url]
     
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  15. Mickc

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    He never got off the floor to win is stating facts ! If I wanted to throw a cheap shot Lewis never gave Ray Mercer a rematch though did he after his MD win and Mercer clearly deserved one,Lewis got it on the cards but plenty thought it went the other way .