Well this thread read is GGG a top 10 all time middleweight and I think he is, not does he have a better resume than Monzon ( I give to Monzon by narrow margin and GGG is not retired yet ). Head to head well... But I have a bone to pick with some of your names and match ups are a bit hand picked, We know Canelo was a win and I would not list Macklin as his five best wins. I find Monzon fighting too many smaller guy who started out below 160 and they knock him down in his prime years and gave him some tough fights. I see Monzon who had a lot of amateur fights was down 3 times vs Camberio and might have received some home cookin vs Briscoe.
The biggest cream puff he fought was Canelo then right ? Canelo couldn't hardly beat him at 40 GGG beat himself by not starting sooner
You know, funny thing about people listing GGGs best wins, they all seem to list different guys and when you put them all together it's a fair long list of 'best wins'.
I thought the Canelo decisions were totally fair. With that said, those fights can’t just be ignored like they don’t mean anything. He completed a classic two fight series against a prime, great middleweight and performed respectably.
You've GOTTA be talking about some fighter named "Mozon" and not Carlos Monzon...you've just GOT to...'cause dude, we've basically settled this many many moons ago...
Look Monzon has superior resume to Golovkin end of, i don't know why you keep saying "narrow margin". There isn't any comparison, clearly Monzon has superior names on his resume.
Well name his best 5 wins then, my list was totally fair and not in anyway biased towards any fighter.
If by superior names you mean blown up famous lower wights fighters I agree. Gifffith was 35, and lost 24 times. Lots of men have him in their top five. Benvenuii past his best and didn't win another match after facing Monzon. He was older. Napoles a blown up 147 pounder who retired one year after losing to Monzon via KO, his experiment with 160 done by then, back to welter. Older. Briscoe lost 24 times. Lots of men have him in their top five. Very short. Those famous guys? How about Moznon faces natural middleweight his age or younger? Any examples of that were ranked and can stand with GGG's competition? Yes, Monzon has the names. GGG didn't make his bones facing famous smaller men, old older men. In most cases he was the older man.
I'm sorry but i'm tired of this nonsense, if you want to believe names like Geale, Jacobs, Brook, are even in the same league as Napoles, Benvenuti, Griffith, then you can go ahead and have that opinion. Trust me though any hardcore boxing fan would certainly not agree with you. And i doubt anyone on this thread would agree with you either. No offence but i've actually grown very tired of this debate and subject in general, so you can go ahead and have that opinion, which would be in the minority trust me. PS thats the last i'm gonna say on that matter.
I do forcefully disagree with this. Usually ageing fighters are worse. But usually that is self evident. So, for example, when people write off Calzaghe's win over Hopkins because of his age, i literally laugh. Sat in my home I go "ha ha ha haaaaa ha ha!" like that. Because Hopkins was an excellent fighter at that age. The Pavlik performance, which Hopkins selected as his finest, came after Calzaghe taxed him, I think. That said, it's generally OK to say that fighters deteriorate with age but I don't think that a fighter's age matters when evaluating wins, unless there is literally no other information. Beating a 40 year old Hopkins is way more impressive than beating a thirty-year old Benny Lynch.