Joe Frazier. Do You Believe He Could Have Beaten Other ATG s...

Frazier's face was badly bruisde after FOTC. Against a big puncher he wouldn't have seen the distance.

Determination doesn't matter, do you think Frazier wasn't determined to beat Foreman in the rematch?

 

The thing with Frazier is he didn't need a large arsenal to win against more versatile guys. All he needed to do was get up close and start spamming left hooks until the other guy went down. Using that strategy he was undefeated until Foreman came along.

 

Agreed, sometimes you don't need that much, but what Frazier did won't work against someone as skilled as Holyfield.

 

Again, not only do they lack the power to stop Frazier, but they also don't have the quick feets to run for theirs lives.

Ali could not keep joe off of him during the entire fight and even his clinching game didn't work as good as you may think. And Ali, according to freakin foreman, was a pretty strong guy, atleast much stronger than foreman thought he was.
And i don't think fury was stronger or a harder puncher than Ali , (and he ,most definitely, do not have the "foreman like" strength).

We can also add the fact that Fury's wrestling games were so effective, not just because of his sheer size, but also because the fighters he fought like wilder had no clue how to neutralize Fury's bullying tactics, and frazier certainely does..... he would kill fury's body and his head will fall.

Usyk's so called, incredibly evolved skills will not cover his serious lack of power or strength,which are really needed to beat smokin joe.

Again, none of them are ATG's, and no sane experts would rank Fury higher in the all time list. Joe faced and beat far better competition.

Who said evander had a better chin? Who said he was stronger? Foreman did say evander was a more skilled boxer, but with holyfield's warrior heart, i don't think he would be willing not to go inside and exchange with frazier. In any event, if he did, frazier cuts the ring off on him and forces him to fight. And here, joe simply had more advantages (power, conditioning and toughness) and he would be favored in this matchup.

Wlad was afraid to throw a bomb against 90% of the fighters he got into the ring with. And most of those fighters (if not, all of them) were much inferior than frazier in almost every department, including power.

 

Mike Tyson? Maybe. MAYBE. But then again, frazier can rumble inside in the late rounds and beat him down...

And no, Lewis does not hit harder than George foreman. This comes from evander holyfield himself..

 

Yes, maybe. I see your point, but you have to keep in mind that i listed ATG's in their primes. And some of them are mismatches for Frazier. A prime Ali, Holmes, Tyson would probably average just about 5-15% better.

I think that Frazier simply has the disadvantage against some styles, regardless his endurance and toughness.

I can see Marciono has a slight advantage because he's a 2 handed puncher and has about the same power + maybe even better stamina and chin.Prime Holy has every tool in his box to deal with frazier. He can adjust his style and matchplan to a lot of situations. Tyson is way faster + also 2 handed. He can get caught from sharp counter punchers like Schmeling, Louis or Holy. And of course there is a problem with big 2 handed punchers.

I see i was too optimistic for Spoon. I felt like he is much underrated and a big underachiever. I rewatched some clips recently and i think i have to correct it. Although he had a big right hand and great fight against Holmes were he absorbed a lot and showed great heart, I think he may be too slow and inactive. I still think Young would be awkward as hell for Frazier. Same as Norton. Young can slip a lot of his punches and absorb a lot too. I can see a SD coming^^

So Spoon 50-50 to 65%

 

Even by the first fight he was not the same fighter.

 

Scrap Iron Johnson did it on fair cards

 

About Fury. You realise the size difference between Fury and Ali is greater then that of Floyd Patterson and Ali. You realise just how big the difference in size is between Frazier and Fury right?

 

The ones I’m firm on him beating are Liston, Evander and Schemling.

 

Joe Bugner deserved a draw

 

Frazier won't get to the latter rounds, Tyson KOs him in 4 or 5 tops.

With his right, Lewis hits way harder.
As for Holyfield, he was asked about who hit him the hardest, and he said that when faced with this question, a boxer can only have one answer, who hit him the hardest, meaning that if one faces 2 boxers, A and B, A being the harder hitter, one might say that B hit him harder simply cause B managed to land harder punches, while A didn't, despite being a harder hitter.