Greater fighter: Canelo Alvarez or Marco Antonio Barrera

He beat a bunch of domestic level fighters and a faded Kevin Kelly. Solid win for MAB but not a great win by any means

 

Domestic level fighters who were world champions like Paul Ingle, Steve Robinson who made 8 title defences.

Kevin Kelley was 47-1 and was world champion, again not really sure what you mean by "faded".

Hamed beat a solid list of contenders, champions, former world champions. And was P4P ranked number 6 when Barrera beat him of course its a great win.

 

I like Barrera more but I think Canelo ranks higher P4P. I rank Marquez over Canelo though.

 

He beat genuine world champions. He fought the best that were available at 126lbs and would of been the first 4 body undisputed champion if the sanctioning bodies had been a little kinder to him as he beat all the title holders. Remember Barrera came up in weight when he fought Hamed, Hamed was the clear number 1 at featherweight at the time, even Morales had only just moved up to 126 and had struggled to beat Espadas in a fight some scored for Espadas.

In hindsight we now know Hamed was mentally shot and his hands were giving him problems but you can't take that win away from Barrera. Even an unfocused Hamed with two bad hands would of beaten anybody at 126 not named Barrera or Morales at the time.

 

Let's not play dumb and act like holding a belt and making title defenses is the end all be all because if it did then Wilder would be considered one of the great heavy weights of our time. It also would unequivocally make Canelo greater than MAB. Kevin Kelly was at the end of his career aka not prime aka faded. Nice try though

 

Who's playing dumb ? Your just changing the goal post is all your doing. You claimed Hamed only beat "domestic fighters" then when i told you they were all world champions or former world champions. Now your saying just because they held a belt it don't make them good, like come on Hamed beat a solid list of fighters mostly all were world class.

Lastly again how was Kevin Kelley faded when he was the current world champion ? And had only lost 1 fight in an amazing fight to Alejandro Gonzalez he was 47-1.

 

Nelo

 

My first impulse was MAB but there are some convincing arguments for Canelo on this thread. Ask me again in a few years when Canelo retires.

 

I voted Canelo at first but switched. Canelo on my cards lost to every ATG he had a chance at beating. His achievements are great, 4 div, three unified, 1 undisputed. But they're greater than the fighter behind them in my opinion.

 

you can say as you want it. Hamed was a hype job.

 

Marco Antonio Barrera is one of my favourite figthers ever.

Having said that, I think canelo is better acomplished. Barrera never dominated the world boxing scene as canelo did.

Having said that, again, Barrera has one of the best acomplishments in boxing, his fight vs morales is the best fight that was ever fought. Canelo can't even dream about that.

I think canelo is greater, but had I to delete one boxer (between barrera and canelo) from boxing history (like if he never existed), it would be canelo. Not everything is greatness and titles and multi-weight victories. I can't understand boxing without barrera and morales. I would delete floyd too, or pacman, before barrera too. As I said, one of my favourite fighters EVER.

I repeat that I understand that canelo is greater, though.

 

Only 1 defeat to an ATG ,numerous title defences, he was must have been hell of a hype job

 

Only 1 defeat to an ATG and only one fight vs an ATG. You say it as if he had fought many ATGs and he only lost to one, when the truth is that he only fought domestic BS, and the only time he stepped up he was beaten to a pulp and retired.

Hype job. Job hype. Hype-job. Hypejob.... no matter how you put it. Hamed was a hype job.

It was barrera who beat him just because he was the one who fought him. But had been any other top world level fighter who fought hamed he would have been equally beaten. Or you think that morales doesnt put hamed in a coma? nah.... h-y-p-e j-o-b.

 

Greatness requires great deeds. Barrera slayed a Dragon.

Canelo had 3 chances vs GGG. Couldnt get it done.

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So all belt holders are world class champions your position? The only truely elite fighter Hamed faced was MAB and he was humiliated. The others were belt holders at best. I could name 100 "world champions" that aren't world class and so could you.

Like I said, if holding a belt or beating someone who once held a belt makes it a great win then you literally must put Canelo over MAB there is zero argument to the contrary using that logic