Joe Louis v Jersey Joe Walcott 1

So your side wiith Louis in a fight that you only seen half the rounds of where Louis was the worse in the action and floored twice? Yes or No?

Even Louis disagrees with you.

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Wallcot

• Louis was down in rounds one and four.
• Louis was so disgusted by his performance that he attempted to leave the ring as soon as the fight ended, but he was restrained by his handlers.
• A ringside poll of 32 boxing writers had 21 scoring the bout for Walcott, ten scoring it for Louis and one calling it a draw.

Newspaper Votes

• Jim Schlemmer, sporting editor, Akron Beacon Journal (Akron, OH) - Walcott
• Jesse A. Linthicum, sporting editor, The Sun (Baltimore, MD) - 8-5-2 Walcott (score provided by Associated Press)
• Jean Rouchard. The Evening Sun (Baltimore, MD) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Joe Lee, Brooklyn Eagle (Brooklyn, NY) - 8-7 Louis (score provided by United Press)
• Tommy Holmes, Brooklyn Eagle (Brooklyn, NY) - Walcott
• Ralph Frost, Brooklyn Eagle (Brooklyn, NY) - Walcott
• Tom Ryan, sporting editor, Evening Courier (Camden, NJ) - 12-2-1 Walcott
• Wilfrid Smith, Chicago Daily Tribube (Chicago, IL) - 8-6-1 Louis (score provided by United Press)
• James E. Doyle, Cleveland Plain Dealer (Cleveland, OH) - 10-4-1 Walcott
• Gordon Cobbledick, sporting editor, Cleveland Plain Dealer (Cleveland, OH) - 7-6-2 Walcott (score provided by Associated Press and United Press)
• Jack Sharkey, International News Service - Walcott
• Frank Eck, Associated Press - 9-6 Walcott
• Elliott Cushing, Democrat and Chronicle (Rochester, NY) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Jack Cuddy, United Press - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Ray Grody, Milwaukee Sentinel (Milwaukee, WI) - 7-6-2 Walcott (score provided by United Press)
• George A. Barton, Minneapolis Morning Tribune (Minneapolis, MI) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Alan Harvey, Canadian Press - 6-5-4 Walcott
• Gene Ward, Daily News (New York, NY) - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Joe Trimble, Daily News (New York, NY) - 7-6-2 Louis (score provided by Associated Press and United Press)
• Al Buck, New York Post (New York, NY) - 8-5-2 Louis.
• Leonard Cohen, New York Post (New York, NY) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Jimmy Cannon, New York Post (New York, NY) - 8 rounds for Walcott
• Anthony Marenghi, Newark Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ) - 7-6-2 Louis
• Joe Gootter, Paterson Evening News (Paterson, NJ) - 9-6 Louis
• Al Abrams, sporting editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Pittsburgh, PA) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• W. J. McGoogan, St. Louis Post-Dispatch (St. Louis, MO) - 7-7-1
• John M. Flynn, sporting editor, The Berkshire Evening Eagle (Pittsfield, MA) - Walcott
• Clif Keane, The Boston Daily Globe (Boston, MA) - 8-5-2 Louis
• Bill Cunningham, The Boston Herald (Boston, MA) - 7-6-2 Walcott (score provided by United Press)
• Sec Taylor, sporting editor, The Des Moines Register (Des Moines, IA) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Burton Hawkins, The Evening Star (Washington, DC) - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Bill Lee, sporting editor, The Hartford Courant (Hartford, CT) - 7-4-4 Walcott
• Charlie Tiang, sporting editor, The Kingston Daily Freeman (Kingston, NY) - 9-4-2 Walcott
• Wendell Smith, sporting editor, The Pittsburgh Courier (Pittsburgh, PA) - 7-6-2 Louis
• James P. Dawson, The New York Times (New York, NY) - 8-7 Louis
• Joseph C. Nichols, New York Times - 8-7 Louis (score provided by Associated Press and United Press)
• John Webster, The Philadelphia Inquirer and Public Ledger (Philadelphia, PA) - 11-3-1 Walcott
• Lawton Carver, sporting editor, International News Service - 7-5-3 Louis
• Harold W. Heinz, The Springfield Union (Springfield, MA) - 8-5-2 Walcott
• John McNulty, PM Daily (New York, NY) - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Tom Meany, sporting editor, PM Daily (New York, NY) - 9-6 Louis (score provided by Associated Press)
• Nat Fleischer, The Ring (New York, NY) - 8-6-1 Louis

• Wilbur Wood, sporting editor, New York Sun - 11-4 Walcott
• Grantland Rice, New York Sun - 11-4 Walcott
• Lester Bromberg, New York World Telegram - 10-5 Walcott
• Joe Williams, New York World Telegram - Walcott
• Max Case, New York Journal-American - Walcott
• Frank Graham, New York Journal-American - Walcott
• Lewis Burton, New York Journal-American - Walcott
• Bill Corum, New York Journal-American - 8-7 Louis
• Dan Parker, New York Daily Mirror - 9-6 Louis (according to AP) or 8-7 Louis (according to UP)
• Jim Jennings, New York Daily Mirror - 7-6-2 Louis
• Jesse Abramson, New York Herald Tribune - 8-7 Louis
• Red Smith, New York Herald Tribune - 8-7 Louis
• Ted Meier, Associated Press - 11-3-1 Walcott
• Hugh S. Fullerton, Associated Press - Walcott. "He scored the harder punches."
• Murray Rose, Associated Press - 9-5-1 Walcott
• Ted Smits, Associated Press - Walcott
• Gayle Talbot, Associated Press - 10-4-1 Walcott
• Leo H. Peterson, sporting editor, United Press - 7-5-3 Walcott
• Oscar Fraley, United Press - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Bob Considine, International News Service - 8-7 Walcott
• Davis J. Walsh, International News Service - 8-3-4 Walcott
• Harry Grayson, Newspaper Enterprise Association - 8-4-3 Walcott
• John Lardner, North American Newspaper Alliance - Louis
• John Carmichael, sporting editor, Chicago Daily News - 11-4 Walcott (according to AP) or 8-4-3 Walcott (according to UP)
• Gene Kessler, Chicago Times - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Clair Kelley, Chicago Herald-American - 9-3-3 Walcott
• Jack Conway, Boston American - Louis
• Gerry Hern, Boston Post - 7-7-1 (according to AP and Al Buck of NY Post) or 7-6-2 Walcott (according to UP)
• Ed Delaney, Philadelphia Daily News - Walcott
• Matt Ring, Philadelphia Evening Bulletin - 8-7 Walcott
• Whitey Lewis, Cleveland News - 8-7 Walcott
• Franklin Lewis, Cleveland Press - Walcott
• Shirley Povich, Washington Post - Walcott
• Bob Addie, Washinton Times-Herald - 9-3-3 Walcott
• Hank O'Donnell, Waterbury Republican - 12-2-1 Walcott
• George Edmond, St. Paul Pioneer Press - 8-5-2 Louis
• Bill Demuth, Wheeling Intelligencer - 8-5-2 Walcott
• Robert Bre, La Presse (Paris, France) - 7-5-3 Louis
• Jean Kroutchtain, AFP (French News Agency) - 7-5-3 Walcott
• Bob Murphy, Detroit Evening Times, 8-5-2 Walcott

 

In his autobiography Joe Louis My Life,Louis was in no doubt he won the fight,and he reiterated that on national TV.
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I think that's pretty conclusive.
John Lardner
Bill Corum
Red Smith
James P Dawson
Al Buck
Dan Parker
Nat Fleischer
Jesse Abramson
Were all heavy hitters as far as boxing reporting was concerned,the fact that they voted for Louis leads me to believe it was a pretty close fight that could have gone either way.
Fights that close are never robberies,imo.

 

Walcott won the fight, but forgot to win the belt.

Those were the times of a singular champion and Louis was the captain America personified. He should have pressed the 14th and 15th hard.

Granted, politics aside, I consider the fight a great, great achievement on Walcott's resume.

 

Apparently Mendoza has moved on from his racist crusade to diminish Jack Johnson's legacy and now hes on to Joe Louis, another icon. What a small little man.

 

This …

 

This,, I read the same thing where Louis apologized after the fight, he knew he'd lost and had the class to admit it to Walcott.

 

Watch the footage I provided, Louis was convinced he had won, and said so in his book, and on national TV.

 

I take David Icke more seriously, and he once said live on British tv that the Queen Mother was a lizard.

 

Yes, the close scoring really is the key.

 

It's very likely Walcott deserved the nod but no one alive is in a position to state that with any certainty.As you said it's the same circular argument made ad nauseum over and over ,similar to who deserved the win O Brien or Johnson,in a 6 rounds no decision fight? Or Hart V Johnson,where the fight was awarded on the basis of aggression and possibly colour prejudie ? Both fights can be talked about and will be as long as boxing survives.
O Brien, being much the smaller man may claim a moral victory.and possibly Hart's willingness to make the fight earned him the win ,but we will never know.
Personally I don't suscribe to the long held view that you have to "take the title from the champ",Louis believed this and Marvin Hagler bitterly cited that, as he" was making the fight," he should have retained his crown against Leonard.

If you score more points you should get the nod, referees are supposed to be judging ,not champions or personalities but two corners, ,red and blue.Human nature being what it is impartiality is sometimes discarded.
When Louis was announced as the winner many in the crowd booed, but Walcott was not expected to put up such a strong fight, and sympathy for the underdog naturally came to the fore when he did so well.

"I read where you thought I lost the fight,well mebbe you was right,and mebbe you was wrong,but there won't be no argument about the rematch"Louis

 

Hagler claimed Leonard told him "you beat me, man" straight after their fight. Leonard has always denied it and always claimed he won the fight. Adding some credence to his words is that he is on record publically at least three times now telling the world that he lost to Hearns.

But i digress. Louis claimed he said that to all the opponents he beat years later. He may or may not have been a touch tongue in cheek.

 

Who the heck is Daivd Icke, some crazy British man I presume? Consider the source. I don't take you seriously either. The debate has reached a point where words don't fly, so you making it personal. I'll pass. Do yourself and the board a favor and skip my posts.