Do you personally believe Roy Jones Jr took steroids?

what makes you guys so sure?

 

Roid is void.

The B sample he did avoid.

 

I wonder if there's any professional athlete who doesn't take PEDs. Even the chess players are on some drugs.

 

I don't really agree with the idea that every athlete is cheating, that's just an excuse cheaters use to justify their cheating. While I'm sure doping is wide spread is many sports at the very top level, I also believe there are clean athletes, especially those in sports where there's a big skill element and where physical prowess is less important.

Plus we see lots of records get beaten at high school and junior levels, I doubt children are doping, yet these records keep getting broken by these youngsters. Fact is the science of sport has improved drastically as well as the technology, like the carbon plate running shoes that are now seeing records tumble at an astonishing rate in recent years.

 

Adderall is no joke.

 

Modern sports science, training, and nutrition have improved significantly. That's why fighters of old are overrated. You'll never convince me that guys of old fighting 6-12X a year sometimes just weeks after a fight are fighting killers and are just much harder men than today's boxers.

 

I'd say today's boxers are better athletes but boxing is a sport where skill is a huge element. If you look at athletics the records that usually last the longest are the events that are technical is aspect, which is why the discus world record was set in the 80's and the triple jump and long jump record was set in the 90's.

Boxing isn't as simple as who's fastest or strongest because a less athletically skilled fighter in worse physical shape can out skill the physically superior opponent. So I don't agree, I think some boxers from the past could most definitely compete with fighters today.

 

Aye.

 

I agree that some boxers from the past could compete with fighters today, but I also believe that fighters of old get overrated.

I like to use baseball as an example because it involves physical attributes AND skills. The best hitters and pitchers of the past wouldn't stand a chance against today's crop of hitters and pitchers. For example, the pitchers of past had fastballs that topped out anywhere from 90 to 96, but at the top end, they really had to dial it back. Today's elite power pitchers stand 6' 4" to 6' 6" and are torching radar guns with fastballs 96 to 102 from the first inning to the last inning pitch. And they mix in off speed breaking pitches with serious movement (skill) as well. As well, the game's best hitters are huge ass men with serious power. Then you throw in sports medicine, high tech scouting reports and analytics at their disposal, and the pitchers of old just wouldn't be able to compete. Basically, legends like Babe Ruth or Ted Williams wouldn't have anywhere close to the success they had in today's era.

Take Salvador Sanchez. In 1981, he fought Ricky Perez in July and a month later, he fought Wilfredo Gomez and won, and then he fought 3 months later. Wilfredo Gomez fought Raul Silva and then a month a half later fought Salvador Sanchez. Is that enough of a training camp/recovery period between fights to come into the next fight in optimal condition? That would be like Golovkin fighting Murata in July and then Clenelo in August. Or Crawford fighting Avanesyan in September and then Spence in October. It just wouldn't be possible for Golovkin and Crawford to be able to have so little time between their last fights and then come into a fight with an elite opponent a month later. Today's fighters generally have 8-12 week training camps, so they're coming in fully rested and in optimal condition. Basically, an Inoue with an 10 week training camp is far more dangerous a proposition than an Inoue with a 2 week training camp and no rest. Wouldn't you agree?

 

Yes of course some fighters of the past get overrated, but that's true of fighters now also. It's not something unique to fighters of the past, every era that has been and will be will have fighters who are overrated and some underrated that's just the nature of the sport.

Agreed that sports science has come on by leaps and bounds, it's crazy the amount of data we have now and how it's used to improve athlete performance. I myself am a runner and even for someone like me who doesn't train to be competitive, over the last 20 years how I train now and what data and equipment I have available compared to 20 years ago is insane.

 

He's a professional boxer competing at the highest level. Of course he took steroids.

 

What if Babe Ruth was born tomorrow. Do you not think in 50 years time he'd still be remembered as one of the best ever?

 

Thanks for reasonable about this. My beef is with the boxing hipsters who insist that Inoue (or any present guy) would get flattened by every ATG counterpart based on resume. I'd like to get your thoughts on this scenario.

Which set presents greater difficulty and challenge?

Scenario A

Fighter takes on 6 fighters a year with none of them having 8-12 training camps.

Scenario B

Fighter takes on the same 6 fighters a year with all 6 coming into the fight with proper rest/recovery between fights and 8-12 week training camps. Fighter fights every 2 months.

 

People often miss how athletes from today would perform if they were born some 50-100 years back. It's only about those from the past and their performance today, but that' half the the picture of theory.

 

Olympic shooters take sedatives to steady their aim. I think they make ****all money so imagine the big money athletes.