Joe Louis vs. Harry Greb

Mendoza wrote:

Louis has slow shuffling feet. They did not call him shuffling Joe Louis for nothing! It wasn't a compliment. Louis's ability to track down faster fighters the Conn, Walcott, and to and to extent Godoy who was pretty mobile are there on film to see and Louis had the reach in all cases. So Louis foot speed and technique were lacking.

Defensively on film he shows low left guard and next to no head movement. He is one to jabs and right hands. His offense was his defense!

If I were to score best boxers he faced in Schmeling, Conn, Walcott and Charles, Louis is way down on points, mostly because of his footwork and defense. Yes score them yourself. You will see its true.

You aren't listening to me, you asked me why Louis defense and footwork was bad, and I told you why and to watch and score the fights where he was behind on the scorecards if you add them all up. Did you do that?

Then you comeback with his offenses ( not defense ) and counter punching which has noting to do with defense and was not featured at ALL vs Schmeling, Conn, Walcott and Charles. What did Blackburn says about his defense which is very poor in the above fights? I'll read it. His footwork is slow and shuffling. Hence the nickname shuffling Joe.

Offensively Louis had a fine jab, and combinations but we are not talking about offense.

 

Greb's was more durable than Conn IMO and according to Tunney was hard to hit cleanly. The way to fight Louis for a small guy or non power hitter was not to commit fully on punches to and to use SPEED which troubled Louis the Greb had plenty of. He was just as fast or faster than Conn IMO. Greb's movement would trouble Louis period like others.

The size difference does not come into play 168 and above was more than enough to win rounds Louis. Greb fought plenty of heavyweights who could swat. Would Greb last the distance? Maybe. If it went to the score cards and Art Donovan wasn't the ref and judge I do not know who will win.

Greb's duabibilty and toughness was legendary.

 

Greb style feature fast hands , a very hard to time movement in his body that went side and up and down, creative rule bending, and never ending punches. He had a grade A chin and hardly ever stopped. And the man could fight all night. Smart in the ring too. Louis would be swinging for the fences and missing a lot like Tunney did who is about as accurate heavyweight as I've seen. Would Greb ease up his attack a bit? If he smart , and his strategy is to win rounds yes. I have researched him, not in every fight mind you but in a macro sense.

 

Louis had great footwork. You're a hater who dksab

Golovkin was often compared to Louis for footwork. You think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now why would you rubbish Joe Louis footwork but praise Golovkins?

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I don’t think people aren’t listening to you about Louis, I think people simply disagree with you. I disagree with you, pretty much across the board, on everything you’ve said about Louis. Not a big deal or grounds for being disagreeable, though, it would be a boring world and there would be no place for venues like this if everyone was in agreement 100% of the time.

 

Look who's talking. You're the king hater around here. Who compared GGG to Louis footwork by the way? A question I think the you can't answer despite bringing up the point.

 

That okay. I back up with I say in observation and facts, which differs from opinions.

 

It takes a particular type of hater to make a case for Greb over Joe Louis. You are the laughing stock of the forum.
Louis obvious blows Greb out for the count. Greb did not move like Billy Conn.

 

1-A feather fisted light heavyweight would be a medium puncher at middleweight. Besides I already addressed this, twice at this point. Using Conn rocking Louis once and still ending up losing is not a very solid foundation to base your argument on when Greb was in fact feather fisted. Conn being able to rock Louis was a one in a thousand chance given all the other times Louis chin held up against much harder hitters.

2-its definitely up for debate when YOU just posted two different conflicting weights. The point is, again for maybe the third time now, Conn was a natural light heavy and regularly mixed it up with light heavies and heavies while Greb was a natural middleweight who'd probably be fighting at 147 today.

3-if you don't think Greb would win wtf are we even debating here? Unless Louis trips on a puddle of water and bangs his head going unconscious or Greb uses brass knuckles and goes for nut shots immediately, those are probably the only scenarios where he avoids being brutally KOd within a round. He has no chance whatsoever. I don't think Louis would lose once in 50 attempts.

 

"Louis would be swing for the fences" ? lol

More likely Louis would sharp-shoot this guy with pinpoint precision. Greb was a swarmer dubbed the "human windmill" . It is Greb who would be "swing for the fences".
And how does Louis slow feet work against him versus a swarmer? Its not like Joe has to go looking for him. Greb going to walk head first into Joe firepower. Horrible matchup for the smaller man if you understood anything about the sport.
Taking Greb is like taking Dwight Quai over George Foreman.

 

Hi Buddy.
Always enjoy your posts, and you know your boxing, but I let out a big sigh, and put my head in my hands when I see in print that Greb was a " pressure fighter " he most certainly was not a pressure fighter as in the Armstrong/Frazier mold, whom I would define as pressure fighters, I have posted more than a few articles on Greb and his fighting style, one not so long ago, please, please, look it up, look I am not some professor or luminary on boxing, but I have read every book on Greb, plus hundreds of articles over 5 decades, I polighty posit that I know of what I speak, hope you take my post in the vein it is meant, not being know all or big head, it's just that if the forum ( as it does often ) pairs Greb with other greats, it is only fair ( to Greb ) and other posters, that the real Greb is evaluated.
If I have overstepped the mark , please forgive me.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.

 

You’re offensively stupid.