Joe Louis vs. Harry Greb

Excellent posts. Difficult to add anything more.

However, I believe our buddy McVey was fortunately spared the insightful posts of the infamous MoneyTheMan re Louis - who called Joe low tech, too slow, too primitive, not a modern fighter etc. - easily beaten by bigger, more modern HWs like Tommy Morrison etc.

Lol, I don’t mean any disrespect McVey but I don’t know if you could’ve held your temper with that one - many here found it very difficult if not impossible. Lol.

 

Money The Man is now residing on the Boxing Scene Classic Forum,and is about as highly regarded, and popular as he was here.lol.

 

Joe did display that mobility before and in some cases after - you need to watch more.

Yes I have seen the first fight. Godoy didn’t fight clean, did you notice that? and Louis evaded plenty of his shots. Joe on the other hand was landing clean, hard, jolting shots on the inside. Bulled Louis around in the clinches? You consider that boxing? - that’s not crowding and landing. Louis simply wasn’t as ideally set as he might’ve wanted to be - he still beat Godoy clearly all the same and more emphatically the second time around - did you see that one? Again, no one likes to be crowded - Louis was simply expressing that fact per his own first hand experience - and he did learn by that experience.

 

How do you think Azumah Nelson would do against Sugar Ray Robinson? SRR had problems with shorter, physically strong pressure fighters.

 

Louis had his ref ( donovan ) controlling the action vs a non - USA heavyweight in Godoy. Louis looked bad in this fight, there is no way around that. His uppercut was out to lunch. And he did poorly in the clinches. I think Godoy had the stronger lower body and ouches Louis around in the clinches.

Sure Louis did the job in the second fight, but I am talking about the first fight.

 

SRR Robinson would rip him. He's way bigger and better. That's the way I see it.

 

But LaMotta, not only troubled SRR, he BEAT him. Ill DM you a link to boxrec if you want. That's objective fact. I wait your proof it didnt happen.
SRR wasnt physically strong. The professors physical strength would cause SRR problems.

 

You mentioned Nelson , which is what I was replying to.

LaMotta was a former light heavyweight and won just one time out of five vs. SRR who was a small middle and blown up Welter Weight. So yeah his physicality the bigger man swung him one match of five. I agree on these facts. I think you will too.

 

Nelson was shorter than SRR with shorter arms, to get more leverage on the inside. Can you tell me the same was not true of LaMotta?

 

It's worth noting that in the 1 st Godoy fight the referee Arthur Donovan gave the fight to Louis by a score of10 - 5 the other judge who voted for Louis ,George Lecron made it 10-4 with 1 even so ,of the two Donovan was more favourable to Godoy.
It's also worth noting that the rematch featured 3 entirely different officials.Just as the 2 nd Walcott fight did from the first one with Louis,

Therefore I think we can put any insinuations of corrupt scoring,favouritism, and own referee's firmly where they belong, down the toilet.

 

Conn was a great counter puncher and had excellent
skills ,TIMING, and foot work.
Greb was a aggressive pressure fighter that in general
simply overwhelmed his opponents with his stamina
and durability .
Conn was a match up problem for Louis,
Greb wouldn't be.
Louis beats him in similar fashion to his destruction
of Galento.

 

LaMotta was way bigger in weight and tougher than Feather Weight Nelson was my point. He ( Nelson ) would not trouble SRR at all. Not with his lack of reach, or at all.

 

Read the room dope, Everybody is laughing at you

 

In case you havent realised, my last 3 posts to you in this thread have been rubbish, designed to give you an insight in how others perceive your posts on this thread.

I picked a great smaller fighter to beat a great far bigger fighter, based on a couple of shared attributes with a boxer who gave said bigger fighter some problems. I then ignored all the valid points you made, didnt reference them at all in my responses to you, but instead just kept repeating my own unrelated points, to support my agenda in a totally unbalanced and biased way.

Assuming you thought I was being genuine, then how you felt about my posts, is about the same as all/the vast majority of posters that have engaged with you on this thread, feel about yours.

Whether you have the humility and emotional intelligence necessary to put this insight I've tried to give to you, to good use, is up to you.

 

Greb is the same size and moves even better than some of Louis opponents who beat him over gave Louis trouble! Do you want facts? I have them. Louis had problem with movers from 168-185 pounds! You know that, and so do I. Examples of Nelson do not fit one iota, but mine do. Picking a feather weight to beat a middle weight is not the same as a cruiser wight sized guy or small heavyweight to beat a light heavyweight. I hope you realize that. The examples are numerous. Heck Greb has several himself!

As they say nice try. Posters who disagree with what I said are fine and can list facts, comments, even video if they choose. I'm 100% cool with that.

You are coming off as a big Joe Louis fans who's feathers are ruffled by the numerous facts and comparisons that I made. I call it like it is. Thanks for your help anyway.