Ingemar Johansson's power:

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  1. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Brilliant.

    Even Einstein himself could not have expressed it more elegantly than you have just done.

    And Albert (pronounced Al-Bear) married his cousin. Just say’n’.

    I don’t know if Galento did - perhaps he was the product of kissin’ cousins who went too far - again, I’m not sure.

    Newton was allegedly asexual - not a lot to work with there.

    The Manhattan Transfer Project named the first A bomb dropped after Two Ton.

    No one has owned up to Little Boy yet.

    Finally, I could be wrong so please don’t quote me - but I think MC Hammer figured in some way in the equation for Ingo’s power.
     
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    He used to be the forums hidden treasure 15 years ago but he's now blossomed into a fully fledged modern day miracle worker, like The Wolf in Pulp Fiction. Sometimes the simple answer, often actually, is the genius one.
     
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    I thought i hinted strongly enough via the underlined below but given we'd had this sort of thing a few times now perhaps i needed to expand further. By mentioning one trick ponies being on it, and high as well i was, i thought, letting everyone reading know that i am indeed aware of just what it is and that they allowed quite a few in on presumed raw power alone.

    I said - "He didn't make Rings 100 Best Punchers of the last 100 year list and plenty of one trick ponies were on that, and pretty high too. "

    Shavers comes in at #10 and we all know he is a far harder puncher than he is a great one. On top of that he doesn't have a great many top 10 victims and he also has multiple losses against peeps that came off the floor. Yet he's still #10. This is a pretty strong hint raw power and rep will be taken notice of.

    David Tua is #48 and his raw power certainly overshadows anything else he has.

    Gerry Cooney is #53 and beat one contender in his life. Hit huge tho.

    Eugene Hart is even more telling at #61. Galento would have a better resume and Gene never knocked anyone of note out. What top 15 fighters did Hart ever knock out? He most certainly hit HARD tho.

    Buddy Baer and Andy Ganigan were also in there. To me it's blatantly obvious some got a gig virtually due to power alone.


    Well they were very obviously rating P4P. Punchers lists featuring various weights always do.

    It was OK but probably a bit too involved for your average punter. The fantasy fight threads where one can simply cheer for their personal fave are the ones that get traction.

    Personally i don't think Galento did and certainly not L-e-w-i-s.

    Joe Louis can be readily seen turning fights on their head with a single punch and other times ENDING them with a punch or two. The raw power of guys like Louis and Tyson often gets undersold because they are just so damn great at punching.

    “I could have struggled up once more, but when I get executed, people are going to have to pay more than twenty-five dollars a seat to watch it.” — Max Baer

    “Joe’s punches could paralyze you … Anywhere he hit you, you’d feel it … just blocking those shots was like being in an automobile accident.” — Eddie Futch
     
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  4. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    OK you make an excellent case about the puncher's list representing raw power highly too.
    It seems they may rate total KOs pretty prominently, not necessarily quality of opposition, & not necessarily skill so much...

    You do not think Lennox is up there either? I have him a bit below the hardest bangers, but not less than say Tyson.
    Still none of this shows Galento is likely unworthy.
    We cannot know with much assuredness when a guy was also limited in overall skills...

    The opposite of Joe Louis.
    You may have a good point about Louis, I will have to revisit those victories.
    Question is how much does his speed & accuracy contribute to the effect, supplementing raw power because the blows are so accurate & unable to be minimized or even anticipated?

    Intuitively he does not seem to me to hit quite as hard as the Monsters we all know about-but maximizes effect due to proficiency.
    I never heard the Futch quite. Makes him sound just like Marciano!

    So where would you rate him NOT considering efficency in transmitting amage due to skill?
    In Raw Power alone-assuming you even agree he is not in the Liston/Foreman/Shavers/Wlad/Baer/Wilder stratosphere...

    Again OMITTING skill, what order would you place him in the company of, say, Tyson, Marciano, Dempsey, Lewis, lesser lights like Ruddock & Morrison, even Joshua?
    I think the smaller guys tend to hit not quite as hard, that you need to get to ~ 210 lean for a Shavers, Baer or Liston to be an outliar & strike like a top SHW...You think Louis, a little smaller, is an example of what I call this type of "smaller man" exception?
     
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    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    When I see Boxed’s name appear - I’m all in. Very different in a very refreshing way. Could he be the board’s very own Gary Larson (Far Side)? I dunno, maybe.
     
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