When Does A Joe Frazier Vs Jimmy Young fight, Become Even?

At what stage does a fight between Frazier and Young become a pick em, in the 70 s?

 

• Around 1977 -1978. When a fighters who best stuff is being a pressure fight and he can't do it for long, it's over.

 

Frazier was basically gone from the game by 77-78

 

By1977 definitely, Joe is done. Young gets a decision.

 

they sparr and filmed stuff exist

 

Frazier was the boss man of the gyms in Philadelphia. He was still sparring into the 1980s. I remember him being interviewed in London after watching a Frank Bruno fight. I think it was versus Phillip Brown. He was asked would he put Marvis angainst Frank And Frazier said “Marvis? give me six week and I would beat Bruno now.”

No matter how Frazier fared against Foreman and Ali at the end of his career Jimmy Young was never Ali or Foreman level. he really wasn’t.

People saying Frazier wouldn’t have had enough left by the late 1970s but I saw Ocasio beating Jimmy Young around that time.

 

In another underrated war believe it or not..those two produced a war!

 

Not basically. He was gone by definition having 0 fights in that time frame.

 

I highly highly doubt Frazier has enough in the tank to beat Young in '76.

 

Yeah that’s what I meant

 

I say 1975/76. Frazier was worn out after Manila. There is no classic swarmer in HW history, who could conserve his condition on the highest level over a period of more than 6-10 years. This style just needs more dedication, more effort, more work and more durability. And also these guys simply exceed the cotingent of blows to the head that a human body can handle. Just look at Quarry, Weaver, L. Spinks. Even Tyson and Norton which were much more technical fighters, who avoid much more punches because they are kinda weak chined. So Rocky did everything right to retire with 32 after just 8 years as a pro. By '77 it would be a shame and very hard to watch how Young would declass Frazier.

 

Hi Fergy. 1976 I would say as Joe had nothing left after that exhausting effort in Manila. In fact I would make Jimmy a slight favourite .

 

Good point, mate. Joe left a lot behind in the thrilla.

 

1975/1976

Jimmy was handling bigger heavyweights with ease, heavies like Ron Lyle, Shavers, Ali

and by 1975, you could no longer get by with just a left hook

note the difference between those with versatility (wins over Ali AND foreman) as compared to those lacking in skill (Koby 14 , Koby 5) when matched with the same fighters at roughly the same time!

 

Frazier had the wrong style for Jimmy Young because of the pressure power and body game that he employed.

Young could handle the bangers, and trouble just about anyone but his power was not enough to keep Frazier at bay and Joe had decent speed

prime for prime I like Joe by a stoppage late.