GGG vs James Toney at 160.

Let's pause for a second and consider that Nunn, this p4p god, lost to this guy

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/000543

25-17-3

13% KO ratio.

 

And what exactly has that got to do with a prime Michael Nunn ? Pretty petty of you to try and single out a single loss to try and discredit Nunn. Nunn was a special talent for a good 3 year period destroying the likes of Roldan, Tate, Kalambay. And also beating the likes of Curry, Barkley.

Again remind me when did Golovkin ever KO anyone as highly regarded as Michael Nunn P4P or historically.

 

Yeah ok what opponents did Golovkin beat then, that would be favoured against Nunn or McCallum let's hear it. I'm pretty sure most people on this forum, would heavily favour Nunn or McCallum vs any of Golovkins opposition.

 

Vs a 35 or 36 year old McCallum? I think it's safe to say he'd have some trouble may lose one vs GGG's competition.


Nunn was very good fighter too. Toney did not rematch him and was caught by a punch ahead points late in the fight. He deserved a re-match don't you think? I would pick Nunn in the re-match.

 

I don't see anyone on Golovkin's resume beating even an older McCallum, who was still a very high quality fighter. I mean what names would you favour over McCallum. Macklin ? Geale ? Jacobs ? Brook ? I don't think so personally.

As for Nunn didn't he move up in weight shortly after the Toney loss ?

 

He never rematched Nunn at 160, or 168. Not ever. Do you think Nunn did not to earn a re-macth nor not?

 

Did Nunn or his people really push for a rematch though ? i've never heard of a rematch ever being discussed. All i know is that Nunn after his loss to Toney moved up in weight, he then badly struggled vs Cordoba needing 2 fights to put that right, after controversial decision in their 1st meeting, then shortly after that lost to Little and Liles. So there wasn't that much of a window for the rematch to take place, unless Nunn immediately went straight for a rematch. But like i said Nunn moved up in weight probably looking to rebuild himself, and i've never heard of a rematch ever being discussed.

But to answer your question whether or not Nunn deserved a rematch, i guess you could argue he did deserve one. Although Toney did end the fight in very convincing fashion with no debate or controversy. And with Nunn moving up in weight and starting to struggle in some fights, and then losing to Liles, Little, any chance of a rematch quickly ended there.

 

The Ring 160lb rating 2023. Golovkin #1:

https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=98

The Ring 160lb 2012. Golovkin #3:
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2012

Golovkin has been a "special talent" for over a decade now. 4X as many defences as Nunn. 3X as long as Nunn.
But yeah, let's elevate Steve Little's victim.

 

I think they'd all have a good chance. McCallum was ripe for the picking when Toney plucked that apple. You can add Derevyanchenko, Murata, Lemieux and Murray to that list as well.

 

Your putting words in my mouth I never "elevated" Steve Little. I just thought it was petty of you that your trying to discredit Nunn with a single loss, when your well aware that wasn't a prime Nunn. His prime was between 87-91 and certainly not in 94, Nunn didn't have a long prime we all know of his troubles outside the ring regarding drugs and what have you. But during his peak he was special talent and beat plenty of good names, and he would be heavily favoured vs any of Golovkin's best wins, aswell as major threat to Golovkin himself.

No one was comparing Golovkin or Nunn's career at Middleweight, so I'm not quite sure why your trying to compare their records. That wasn't even what we were discussing, you disagree that Nunn wouldn't be favourite vs Golovkin's best wins. And I'm arguing against it, I think the Nunn who destroyed Kalambay, Roldan, would easily be a heavy favourite over Golovkin's best wins, no question in my mind what so ever.

 

Read that again.

Are we going the Tokyo Douglas route now?

He'd be another win on Golovkin's ledger and people would be asking "Just WHO has Golovkin beaten?"

Good for you I disagree

 

He wasn't ripe for the plucking though based on what ? He'd recently beat Kalambay who totally outboxed him a few years earlier in one of his best wins.

You think limited fighters like Murray, Lemiuex, Murata, would have a good chance vs a highly skilled technician like McCallum ? You must be joking. Derevyanchenko was a good Amateur but lost to every worthwhile opponent he fought in professionals, and currently has a record of 14-4. I would say McCallum would of been a heavy favourite vs him.

 

Those guys would barley win a round off McCallum let alone beat him.

 

So Nunn is good because he beat Kalambay who is good because he beat Nunn. Got it. Superlative reasoning. BTW I saw that fight. Nunn caught Kalambay early with a punch he didnt see and that was that. It happens.

Here is Fabrice "slow hands" Tiozzo beating McCallum

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I think that proves that those three would have 'a good chance'.

 

I did read it i don't need to read it again, your picking out a loss to Steve Little in a attempt to discredit Michael Nunn. I don't need to repeat what i said, your well aware of when Nunn's prime was i don't need to point it out again.

Well that's not really the same comparison is it ? your talking about one night Douglas had vs Tyson. Compared to 3 or 4 year period where Nunn was competing at the highest level, that's not even remotely the samething is it.

No Nunn would be far and away the best Middleweight Golovkin has beaten by quite some margin, Nunn was 36-0 the lineal Middleweight champion and P4P rated number 3 when Toney beat him. Has Golovkin beaten anyone close with all them accolades, let alone a P4P ranked fighter ? i don't believe so.

Well i don't see how 6'1 highly skilled Southpaw, who's stylistic nightmare for most Middleweights. Who was 36-0 with some out standing performances vs Kalambay, Roldan, Tate, wouldn't be heavily favoured over the likes of Jacobs, Geale, Murray, Murrata, etc.