I am so grateful to have witnessed the days of Roy Jones Jr in his prime. It wont be witnessed again

yea, but the amount of Floyd fights that were actually entertaining could be counted on one hand

the amount of Jones fights that were boring. . . could be counted on one hand

 

Look buddy, don't be upset at me that your post is all over the place, I don't even think you understand what you're trying to argue about, just a child going on a cry-baby rant. How are you going to go from "I'm not attributing all of his skills to peds, but it damn sure helped though" to randomly saying "it looked like peds ravished his body and there are consequences and side effects to using" Lol, wut... and you have the nerve to call me a dumbass. I honestly don't give two shits about your baseless opinions and whether you think Roy Jones was great or not. Roy Jones has already been established as an ATG and the best fighter of the decade in the 90's, nothing you, I nor anyone else can say anything different. Roy Jones was 121-13 as an amateur, was the best amateur in the world before turning pro and was being compared to Sugar Ray Leonard as a teenager.

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This is Roy at 19 years old where he won the Val Barker trophy, he's always had super human skill, are you claiming Roy's pappy force fed him peds as a boy so he can fight like that? Roy was 35 and a half years old when he got brutally knocked out by Tarver in 2004 and suffered a concussion, rather than taking time off to properly heal he fought Glen Johnson about 4 months after and suffered another concussion where he was rushed to the hospital and was just never the same again. Attributing those losses and the ones after due to "ped abuse" breaking Jones body down is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this forum.

 

Actually Mayweather was very entertaining in the lower weightclasses.

Mayweather vs Juuko, Chavez, Manfredy, Corley, Augustus, Ndou, etc.

Jones fights were entertaining to watch for the flash and athleticism on display. But for actual 2 way action no because Jones fights were often very one sided affairs.

 

Welcome to professional sport.

 

You don't care about my opinion but yet wrote two paragraphs. It's a forum for opinions *******. I don't have to love or fanboy proven Ped cheats like you do. He was busted and was using at the peak of his career, ATG with an asterisk like Bonds, McGuire, etc. Logic is not your strong point, yes you are a dumbass, you said I attributed all his skills to peds use even though that's not what I said. What in the hell is so confusing to you?

He had skills to begin with, no one is questioning this, I don't need your videos of his amateur fights or anything else, what's in question is how Peds contributed to his greatness, speed, recovery, ability to train, retaining speed, endurance, etc. Pros is not the same as Ams, you have to fight the best champions and any edge is helpful. I'll break it down simpler for you. Peds do help your "skills" in a way, boxing is combination of recovery, endurance, explosiveness, speed and you can't be great at all these things. Usually super explosive athletes are not the most blessed with endurance, etc, there are tradeoffs. If you are using substances all these things can be helped so you recover better between training, train harder & longer, and have better endurance in fights.

More testesterone = more power & explosiveness. Mother****er was buster with 6x the levels of what was allowed. Peds help your gifts, if they didn't, these already gifted athletes wouldn't be using them. How great was Marion Jones. ****, even Brady Anderson who was an average 10-15 home run MLB player hit 50 HR's in 1996. In boxing you can kill someone, this is not like baseball or track so **** you. Now you are bringing concussions as if people are supposed to feel sorry for Roy after punched the **** out of other fighters for years roided up. It wasn't funny when he was on the receiving end was it.

Yea, his body broke the **** down unlike some other top fighter of the era. Hopkins at 36-37 was schooling the **** out of Trinidad and showing you what real fundamentals & boxing IQ looked like. When Roy lost the speed & explosiveness, there was almost nothing left that's why he looked basic. All the things he did wrong and got away with, he couln't anymore. And yes Ped's allow you to go from middleweight to heavyweight too. He was talking about fighting the Klits at one point.

 

@DirtyDan and @Caliboxing make good arguments for and against Roy Jones. I don't think Roy's downfall was a lack of fundamentals. Rather his understanding of fundamentals and freakish athleticism allowed him to eschew fundamentals for the entirety of his "climb and prime." That said, understanding fundamentals and being able to employ them during live action are two different things. Unfortunately, Roy failed miserably once he aged past his athletic gifts and had to rely primarily, then exclusively, on fundamentals.

 

Was about to say this. He was a boxer-puncher up until DLH. Past that point he was getting hand problems and didn't wanna take too many risks trying to knock out bigger guys.

Even then, he stood n banged w Cotto n Mosley I like how ppl conveniently forget that. They remember Mosley hurting him but I dont c much sayin how he stood in front of him the rest of the fight surgically countering.

Ngl, I really don't like how Floyd comes off as a person but I'm not immune to giving props.


With Roy the only slightly competitive fight prime wise was the Griffin 1 fight but we saw for a rare time what happened when he wanted to go for blood in the rematch. Very underrated win imho tho it's always a moment shown in his highlights. Sucks the Dariusz, Toney rematch and/or Hopkins rematch didn't happen but he still had an ATG streak 93-03.

 

Let's be honest John Ruiz would have got his ass handed to him by numerous skilled light heavyweights he was s***.. couldn't even beat Danell Nicholson .. ppl acting like that was some all-time great achievement.. he hugged you to death & was stiffer than a palm tree

 

We could witness another fighter like Roy Jones. By definition statistical aberrations are very rare but they do happen.

 

It's not clear at all to me that if he would have taken the Lewis fight right after Ruiz that he would have lost let alone get knocked out. I would concede that Lewis obliterating him with a big punch would have been possible, but I also think Jones fighting near perfectly for 36 minutes and getting the decision would have been possible too.

 

My top six boxers, based on natural-born talent.

SRR
Ali
SRL
Pea
RJJ
Floyd


I've been lucky enough to have watched five of them live and met two of them.

Loma's career started late and has had its interruptions, but it's not over yet.

He might expand my list fro six to seven.

 

The most unique talent boxing has ever seen IMO. He was the Matrix at his peak.

 

I'm not a fan of John Ruiz and hate his style, but the fact is he went 1-1-1 with a Holyfield, fresh off giving a prime Lennox Lewis a close fight that some thought Holyfield won. He was also the first man to beat Kirk Johnson who was 32-0 at the time, and also stopped the very underrated Fres Oquendo, and had wins over Rahman, Golota.

As i said his style was horrible to watch and i'm not a fan at all, but he actually has some underrated wins and achieved quite a bit for his limited skill set.