Buddy Baer vs modern big heavyweights

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  1. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've been researching Joe Louis a bit and stumbled upon an article where a guy was claiming Joe Louis would beat the modern big men and as an example he gave Joe Louis fights with Buddy Baer who was 6'7, about 240 pounds.

    https://www.boxingoverbroadway.com/could-joe-louis-beat-todays-big-heavyweights-he-sure-could/

    He said that Buddy Baer was not only big but a really good boxer, much better than Wilder OR Wlad Klitschko. I thought I needed to see it because while it's not extremely hard to be a better boxer than Wilder but Wlad...

    So they fought 2 times, the first lasted 6 rounds with Louis winning by KO but being knocked out of the ring in the process. I decided to go for a rematch as I just wanted a glimps of how he looked in the ring. So that's it:

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    So tell me, is this guy a plodding giant sloth or am I not seeing something that guy saw? I mean seriously - very slow on his legs, no jab, primitive, unprepared attacks, no defence. Just walks up close, throws a sloppy hook, gets destroyed with unsophisticated sharp shots because he's so open... And that's pretty much it in my eyes. Nowhere near the level of Bowe, Lennox, Wlad, even Wilder would destroy him easy I think.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's all bull****. Buddy, even in his own time, was not regarded as a natural fighter, he was not the killer his brother was. Combine those two fighters and you have something absolutely terrifying...but anyway, nah, it's just a guy getting carried away. Buddy was better than you are making out but nothing like as good as that guy. I see Mike Silver is associated with that site and he basically is in the middle of a boxing cult that makes Hagler a journeyman in the forties.

    Seems a nice fellow though.
     
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  3. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, thanks. I might have axagerrated a little.

    Crazy sh** that nostalgia or whatever to call it. That guy is supposed to be a boxing expert.
     
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  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually Buddy could box…the problem was he fought like a small guy. Which is counter intuitive for a big man. Completely wrong style for him but believe it or not it may play out well for him today against the right opponents as most men today can’t fight well on the inside. He keeps his chin well protected and maintains good balance but he crouches down to his opponents level leaning forward. He’s a power puncher and wants to mix it up but he’s a more plod forward kind of guy. U can see the power in his hooks. Had he developed a good jab he would have been Cooney before Cooney
     
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  5. Terror

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    Baer looked Terrible with a capital T! Talk about an oaf, it was guys like this who had those old schooler trainers convinced a man over 6'3" couldn't fight! A big giant who has very very limited speed, power and ability, who crouches over and sits there right in punching distance. I can't conceive of a gameplan there.
     
  6. FrankinDallas

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    Might have done better i.e. lasted longer had he tried to THROW A PUNCH ONCE IN WHILE.
     
  7. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I noticed he fought like a small men. And that he tried something like philly shell. He was so slow though, I believe it would leave him open to brutal destruction from probably any top HW today. Who are you reffering to exactly?
     
  8. freelaw

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    Old day Mariusz Wach without the chin.
     
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  9. CANNONBALL

    CANNONBALL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wach will never go down as a talented boxer but compared to Buddy he looks like Ray Leonard.

    BB would not have troubled any of the modern super HWs such as Bowe, Wilder et al. In fact Jorge Luis Gonzalez, who is often derided on these forums, would most likely wallop Big Buddy in 2/3 rounds. Fringe contenders like Bernado Mercado, Animal Lopez, Adilson Rodriguez, Ross Purrity and Tony Fulilangi should, in my opinion, be favoured also.

    I think if BB was active today with the skillset he shows on the footage available he would be at the Mark Wills, Mike White, Levi Billups, Terrence Lewis level........
     
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  10. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, I'm holding back a little, but in fact wow... It looks like the old day giants were comparable to boxers like Valuev or that Chinese guy, Zhang, I think , in terms of speed. Still they weren't as big or as skilled, or nowhere near as skilled.

    It gives you perspective. Louis looks good on film (which was excellent at the time and it's a compliment that he's comparable to modern heavyweights), but, sorry, I think Roy Jones beats him, Holyfield beats him, Tyson and Lennox knock him out without much trouble, Wlad probably hug-straight rights him to death eventually (although I can see Wlad KO'd here too)... I'll leave it at that.
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Buddy would hold his own with the Breazeales,Wach's,etc but Wlad was a far superior boxer.
    I've noticed that Mr Silver he doesn't give much,if any credit to modern fighters.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think you are being much too harsh on Buddy here.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, it's not even modern fighters he's after now, it's pre-sixties and post-sixties really.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    He had the punching power to hurt everybody. Not sure he had the defense, the chin or the mobility to go very far in an era where everyone is as big or bigger.
     
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  15. janitor

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    He is not a man to be taken lightly.

    He held the record for the most first round KO's, of any heavyweight in history, until Shannon Briggs relived him of it.

    If Joe Louis stops you in the first round in the rematch, then he is probably paying you a compliment!

    You could easily make the case that he is a better technical boxer then Wilder.

    However my gut tells me, that you would be comparing a man doing something technically correct awkwardly, to one doing something unorthodox intuitively.

    Not a great trade off.

    He was nowhere near as good as Wlad technically.

    However the author of this article has a point, because the big men that Louis was beating, were clearly not bums.

    If the modern big men are going to be too much for him, then they should have been doing at least as well as the smaller men he fought.

    There is nothing to suggest that the key to defeating Louis, is to find a bigger man.