Tyson Luke Fury vs. Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk

I have this gut feeling that Fury not only respects but likes Usyk too. I didn’t like the “***** this, ***** that” thing from before, but in this video he almost smiles a couple of times and what he says feels like banter between mates. Belly, rabbit - calling each other such names is actually quite harmless and good natured I think. I agree that whatever happens in the fight, there will be no silly beefs once it’s over - quite the contrary, it seems there will only be mutual respect after the fight.

 

This is true, but Fury has a habit of fighting to the level of his opponent. He seems to get bored in there sometimes. He's a very big guy with good skills.

I'm a big fan of both guys. Can't wait to see the fight. Heart says Usyk, but my head says Fury.

 

Tyson Fury is gifted, He is very special. He never took boxing too seriously but once he had it in his mind that he was going to become World Champion nothing could stop him...even if he made it hard on himself by training poorly or not taking things seriously which is well documented.

Wait for the retirement sparring story chronicles although we've already got a few insights into them. Nobody inside of boxing ever has anything bad to say about Tyson Fury. His mentality matches that of very few on the level of the goat himself Ali and people will yet again understand why I keep harping on about him after he deals with Usyk. The excuse makers will be the targets of my vitriol.

 

I don't really agree with your assessment of his skillset but fair enough. I could write up why I disagree but I don't see the point. We'll see on fight night.

 

I just hope this fight happens. But I'm skeptical that even then they would get an undisputed champion. The undisputed champion hasn't been around for too long, so if the fight Tyson Luke Fury vs. Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk could fight for the IBF belt, for example Hrgović and Wilder. And again they would not have an undisputed champion. That's kind of how I see the situation in the heavyweight division. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

Usyk jumping up to HW & beating both Fury and Joshua (should he manage it) & becoming Undisputed in the process would springboard him to a status few can match.. consider that he will only have had 21 professional fights as well.. its unmatched.. catapults him into the top 20 fighters of all time imo.. its historic.. I will be rooting for Fury but I wouldn't begrudge Usyk the win should he pull it off, either way this fight will be about witnessing sporting greatness whoever wins, special night if it happens ...

 

The point deductions are overall questionable because how many times Wlad has been point deducted for his brutally excessive clinching? Just an example. Or how many times the Wilder's windmill has been sanctioned when this joke of a boxing technique is not allowed - he strikes with the forearm and is a rabbit punching. So for all of the Fury's "dirty" fighting he's been sanctioned, but didn't stop him of winning. While, I repeat myself, is questionable how the point deduction is applied per fighter. And lets say his fight with McDermott is a loss or a draw, but he was given unfair win - why not commenting his unfair draw in the first Wilder fight? While against Wlad, up until round 11 the Ukrainan barely won a round if any because of being helpless and obviously outclassed.

The nandrolone story is weird, but even aside Fury's case, it's known that such "problem" can appear when eating wild boar.

The first McDermott fight is questionable, could call it a tie or a fair win by a thin.

To the topic: as both fighters are eating on each other recently, I'm thinking that the fight is arranged, just not officially announced. And they're generating interest already.

 

Indeed. Fury has fought in the backyards of his opponents in his biggest fights because he's got bigger balls than Wlad and Wilder. Hence he's often been deducted points by biased referees, while scumbags like Wlad get away with blatant headbutts in clear view of the ref, not to mention turning boxing matches into Greco-Roman wrestling.

Vitali got busted for steroids but Mendoza isn't calling Vitali dirty because he's an Eastern European nationalist. And he neglects to mention that Fury passed every test for the Wlad fight, despite wide underdog Fury obviously being under more scrutiny than the massive abuser of A-side advantage (and obvious juicer, like his "drug cheat" big brother).

 

It's always like that when it comes to Fury: twisting the facts against him, but surely missing some who can easily prove the accusations are not valid.

Wlad used to push a lot and also hitting with an elbow masking it like he missed with the punch and was accidental. As for the rest you say: true - Vtali got busted for PEDs, no one mentions it. Fury fights in his opponents' backyards, we can all remind the countless Wlad tricks (ring, gloves and whatever), but we don't mention them, just that Fury was deducted a point and yes - was tested for PEDs prior the fight, while [url]it's been discussed here, a well known fact - Wlad was never tested before a fight, but only after[/url].

Fury has some rematches, while Usyk has only one.

 

It's crazy to me that anyone disagrees. If he was 191-Whyte's height- nobody besides boxing afficionados would know him. The guy has struggled with people he hosts natural 40+ pound advantages against. Can you imagine that happening to Usyk, Bivol, Crawford or Inoue? Of course not. It's literally unthinkable. (Of course getting into percentages, it's more like 20 pounds for Inoue, 25 pounds for Crawford and 30 pounds for Usyk, but still).

 

"If", but he's not. And while we've bigger people in boxing than him, like Valuev who's one-dimensional and slow with poor KO ratio. Or the almost that big, but unimpressive Ustinov who has a chicken heart. I can add David Price - very good boxer, but the size didn't really help him as for the other two. Compared to those, Fury does more than impressive for his size I mean, why take it on someone for something no one can choose - size? Well, it's his gift, but the gigantic size is also a curse. Why not taking on someone who's gifted speed, like Usyk let say? True, comparing size to speed is weird, maybe even stupid, but it's a gift and is something you can use as an advantage. Or take it on someone with power, like Wilder - the master of knockouts of tomato cans? Or take it on someone with an insane chin - Marciano: "if" he didn't have it (or his stamina), he would've been just some average Joe. Still, I'm sure some people will not understand all of that, I won't bother to explain it any better.

 

I've seen it claimed by Serge that Beterbiev was mid-180's in the amateurs, whereas Usyk competed at SHW while as young as 25. So we can surmise that Usyk had a considerable weight advantage on Beterbiev, quite possibly 20 lbs, along with 3 inches of height and 5 inches of reach, and still went life and death.

The "percentages" also don't carry. Past a certain point, you disproportionately lose speed, stamina and co-ordination, while 15 stone men can carry big power combined with speed/accuracy and chins don't keep up with the power increase at the higher weights. The only heavies broadly as big as Fury: Tye Fields, David Price, Cojanu etc. have been relatively awful. If Fury were 5 inches shorter with 7 inches less reach and 50 lbs lighter he'd be considerably faster, more agile and better co-ordinated than he is, which is already freakish relative to his size.

 

It's extremely unlikely that Beterbiev would come into a 201 pound contest weighing 185 pounds, especially given that he comes into the light heavyweight ring rehydrating to 190 supposedly. Why would he come in 16 pounds under the limit, and lower than he comes in for light heavyweight?