Wlad Was Dying For A Rematch With Fury

This is true.

Most observers thought there was little in the way of skilled boxing taking place in that fight.
Find me one credible observer who thought this was an exciting fight to watch (other than for what was at stake ) or great display of boxing skill.

To rate them as two of the most skilled heavyweights ever is a bit over the top. They were both skilled boxers, but that was not on display when they met up. They were both very tentative and unwilling to mix it up.
This resulted in a a lot of clinches and not a lot of punching exchanges.

No, you could not say that.

As I said before, he won one or maybe two...

Very clearly, you DO CARE Redbeard.

This is your third response to a post you claim not to care about. In fact, you claimed that nobody cared about it, and yet here you are, days and many post later, caring about it.

When I don't care what somebody posts, I ignore the post and move on.

First of all, Wlad did not have any judges...they were neutrals from USA, Argentina and Puerto Rico.
Second, the scores rendered by the judges do not mean a dominant win , two of the three judges had it 115-112.

All three judges managed to give the decision to the correct guy, as Fury won the fight.
And I have not disputed who won, anywhere in this thread.

I did watch it live. And I would need a strong incentive to rewatch it.

It was one of the ten worst fights I have ever sat through, going back nearly six decades.

What the BBC or any other sports commentator thought of Fury has no bearing on any of the point s I made.

Neither man lived up to his billing and skill level...simple as that.

This again, is nonsense. He DID and continues to get, credit for this win. It was a great win in terms of what it meant and what it accomplished for Fury.

But as far as the fight itself went, it was mostly a clinchfest with little excitement or skilll on display.



BTW, you keep banging on about agenda...and despite being asked point-blank, you have not elucidated what you mean by agenda.

 

LOL Really? A man achieves his life long goal to become Heavyweight champ. He is made a millionair many times over, has a beautiful wife an children. His future and families future secured and it is at this very point in his life he has a mental meltdown? Sell that BS to someone else. Boo hoo, I can't handle being the champ, a millionaire and loved by my father, wife and children. I don't want to live. Please!!! Load of ****!

 

"Men'al 'elf problems" = Fury speak for "I was caught for using nandrolone and got banned for two years".

 

Jab and grab would not work on Fury, plus Wlad would have been 40 in a rematch. Any thinking that he was going to somehow win is pure fantasy.

 

I only post on one account.

 

Considerably more than I do!

 

"Find me one credible observer"

@Rumsfeld regarded it as a masterclass performance, stating that Fury schooled Wlad and won virtually every round, if not every round.

Malik Scott compared Fury to Ali, saying that he hadn't seen that kind of mentality from a contender since a young Cassius Clay.

Rival promoter Eddie Hearn referred to it as a "masterclass".

Of course, you may not regard these individuals as being "credible observers".

The fight has a 2.7/5 entertainment rating on Eyeonthering, which isn't terrible. It wasn't a classic in entertainment terms but there are no shortage of great fighters with boring fights.

"To rate them as two of the most skilled heavyweights ever is a bit over the top."

Not even remotely. This is why I say you have an agenda, either against modern fighters generally or Fury in particular. Manny Steward claimed that Wlad had better boxing fundamentals than Lewis and Ali. Wlad barely lost a round from Byrd 2 to Jennings. Fury was the only fighter in 69 fights to ountpoint Wlad over 12 rounds, and did so by a clear margin, as the B-side, away from home and set a record in all weight classes for fewest punches taken from a champion over 12 rounds. That requires, believe it or not, an incredible level of skill.

"First of all, Wlad did not have any judges...they were neutrals from USA, Argentina and Puerto Rico."

You must still believe in Santa Claus if you don't think A-side champions fighting in their backyards have an inherent advantage on the scorecards. Watching boxing for 6 decades hasn't enabled you to learn very much about the sport.

I do not care about your personal nonsense scorecard, which only proves that you have no idea how to score a boxing match. But I am happy to deconstruct your foolish arguments.

W. Klitschko, like 2nd career Ali, was a hardcore clincher, so blaming Fury for there being too many clinches in a Wlad fight is absurd. Compare the number of clinches to the Povetkin fight and there was virtually no clinching.

 

"Since this is how you'd react, you assume others would react the same way."

No, this is just the modus operandi from Fury's biased detractors. Before the fight: "Wlad will destroy Fury". After the fight: "Wlad had an off-night, Wlad's shot" etc. Same story with Wilder 1 and Wilder 2. I would give Usyk full credit if he beat Fury because I'm not a worm.

"A protected champion with a risible resume"

Fury was the underdog 4 times in his first 31 fights. How many other heavyweight champions have overcome the odds like that? Fury has also fought two historically long-reigning 6'5+ athletic, GOAT power KO artists 4x now, away from home every time, with one fight being less than 6 months after returning to the ring following long-term morbid obesity, drug addiction etc. If Fury has been a "protected" fighter then your standards are ludicrous. And as for "resume", Fury was already on track to pass Lennox Lewis as soon as he beat Wilder in the rematch, though maybe if he'd been one-shotted a couple of times by gatekeepers he'd be higher in your twisted estimation.

"and an absolutely detestable human being"

As I thought lol, that's what it's really about. This is a sport where an ear mutilating convicted r*pist is a beloved and venerated figure. So spare me the moralism.

"Fury is doomed."

You can construct an argument along these lines if it makes you feel better. But ultimately all it will mean is you'll have to give Fury even more credit or else look like a hypocrite and a fool. If Fury apparently can't do something and then he does it, he must be significantly better than you imagine and he's already "tremendously skilled and talented".

 

I don't have time now to address all of your nonsense, but I still wanted to quickly mention one thing: you badly missed the mark there, mate. I'm not a Tyson fan, never was, and never will be. A big part of that is because he is indeed a convicted ****** who was a dirty fighter. So no, I don't spare you the moralism - Fury is a detestable human being, facts.

But it's hardly surprising that the only thing a Fury fan can come back with when talking about Fury as a person is the failed assumption that everyone must be a Tyson fan, so "hah, gotcha, hypocrite". And the less said about your other logical fallacy the better. Fury will not miraculously become a less shitty person just because there were other shitty people in boxing before him.

 

"So no, I don't spare you the moralism - Fury is a detestable human being, facts."

You've never backed this claim up with "facts", you've just got on your high horse and made assertions. It's meaningless drivel without context. And I never claimed that you were a Mike Tyson fan, simply that he's a venerated public figure, which says a lot about today's "morality".

 

If you need backing up about why a racist, homophobic, antisemitic, misogynistic moron who plays on the ignorance of the casuals and spoon-feeds them the blatant lie about how his "men'al 'elf" was the reason for his staying away from the ring for two years and not that he is a PED cheater who got banned is a shitty person, then I can't help you, mate.

 

Agreed. I think it would have been a continuation of the 12th round but obviously Wlad would have a little more zip on his shots. I think a 7 or 8 round stoppage for Wlad. Fury wouldn’t have been steamrolled, he would have his moments, but Wlad would’ve been too zoned in.

BTW I also think Wlad would have beat Joshua had they fought shortly after the Fury rematch. I think the two years of ring rust hurt Wlad going into that one. Also he never had the chance to really get his confidence back fully after losing to Fury.

 

"racist, homophobic, antisemitic, misogynistic"

Lmao, what a brainwashed fairy you are.

"PED cheater"

Comically dumb too. This is high level pro sport you buffoon.

 

I’m very upset now because I obviously deeply care about what someone who is just a bunch of letters on my laptop screen try to insult me with.

 

If the media told you to feel sad you would.