Whos the greater fighter SRL or FMJ

He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. If Floyd had USADA in his pocket, he wouldn’t have needed to mask anything. He did it bc he knew it would be cleared and IV’s are a great way to rehydrate. I’m sure he did qualify as dehydrated and it’s irrelevant that he would’ve been alright by drinking Gatorade.

 

It is not a normal procedure.

It is banned by the two leading anti-drug organisations.

Fighters who are dehydrated take onboard oral fluids first.

They do not hook themselves up to IVs without not informing the relevant parties and following strict procedure.

Champagne the night before??

Hangover buses?

These were elite level professional athletes who were going into the richest fight in the sport’s history.

Floyd broke several rules, and he couldn’t have been severely dehydrated in order to have needed it.

He made weight easily, and he’d been winding down and relaxing.

Nothing about it was normal and above board.

 

I’m not sure.

 

Again, nobody cares about your agenda driven details. He beat the top guys minus Andrade and Floyd. Lara and Trout were at their absolute peaks. Floyd wasn’t exactly hanging around either. Smith has even gone up in value.

He may still fight any combo of Jermall, Andrade, or Benavidez.

Leonard, the object of your lust, was no stranger to a narrow disputed win or draw, or a late win while down on the cards.

 

Mayweather's biggest black mark of his career is he never fought (let alone beat) a great fighter in their prime. But to be honest, there are numerous ATGs who never beat a fellow prime great. Granted, they don't rank as high as fighters like SRL or Ali. It does seem difficult to crack the top 30 p4p ATGs without beating another prime great.

 

I know this may be slightly off topic, but I cannot rank Floyd higher than #3 p4p since 1990 because Pacquiao thrashed Barrera and RJJ schooled Toney. After watching those performances and seeing that Floyd lacked such performance in his career I just cannot justify ranking him over those guys. Same with Leonard. Having the big signature win matters.

What would for example, Ali's career look like without the 73 Foreman knockout?

Having that 1 massive win matters.

 

Full disclosure: You’re a Pacquiao fanboy and Pacquiao fanboys invented that ridiculous criterion to try to say that beating Barrera was better than Oscar.

Btw Canelo was a prime ATG so the argument is null.

 

I disagree with this entirely.

 

118-110

 

Let’s run a test to keep your bias in check: show me a unified, undefeated champion under age 30 who wasn’t in their prime. If you can’t, you aren’t credible.

 

I don’t know what I’m talking about?

You’re replying to a guy who thinks it’s normal for fighters to hook themselves up to IVs without informing anybody.


Read carefully:

IVs are banned by both WADA and VADA, as they are used as masking agents.

That is a fact.

An IV also has to reported and administered by a professional in a medical facility.


Floyd took it in his home, without notifying anybody.

The NSAC, who hosted the richest fight in the sport’s history, literally had no knowledge of the IV, until 3 weeks AFTER the fight.

Nothing alarming there, huh?

Perfectly normal and above board, right?


IVs are a great way to rehydrate?

Ha!

They are only used by professional athletes in extreme cases.

They can only be used if an athlete is classed as being severely dehydrated.

So come and tell me HOW Floyd could have been severely dehydrated?

From what?

He made the weight EASILY just like he normally did.


No, it’s not irrelevant that he could have drank oral fluids.

Several medical professionals have given their expert opinions, and said that Floyd’s first course of action would have been to take on oral fluids beforehand.

Don’t be naive.


Floyd took a banned substance, he purposely kept it from the NSAC, and then he gave a BS and illogical excuse as to why he needed it in the first place.


It’s abundantly clear what went down.

 

I agree with everything you say, except your last sentence.

Fitzsimmons is my #6 but I doubt he ever beat anyone in most top 100 p4p lists. Unless you rank NP Dempsey there (I dont rank him because I dont know enough about his opponents).

Joe Louis is a top 10 p4p ATG and he never beat a top 100 pfp ATG.

Jimmy Wilde is my #16 and whilst I rank him higher than most, it's not uncommon to see him top 30. He didn't beat a top 100 p4p ATG.

Imo, it's a balance. Consistent domination over the best fighters your size in your era and/or beating world class fighters bigger than you scores highly, by analysis. As do wins over prime ATGs. My top 5 - SRR, Greb, Langford, Armstrong and Charles tick all boxes.

 

It's not an absolute rule, but it is awfully difficult to crack the upper echelons of the ATG rankings without beating another ATG in their prime.

 

You think Tyson was at his best vs Douglas? Or ever as good as he was vs Berbick, Holmes and Spinks, at any point from Douglas onwards?

 

Agreed