Top Twenty P4P Head-to-Head all time blah blah blah

Does Jose Napoles merit consideration in your opinion?

139lbs age 28, I consider him small for a WW, yet he was dominant there. Twice beating a fighter as good as Cokes in barely competitive contests. Napoles looks great to me on film too.

 

Jose Napoles and Emile Griffith aren’t here? Why?

 

I’d take him over Leonard and Duran honestly. Just something special.

 

I'm not big on H2H tbh. I predict too many actual fights wrong, even when they have recent common opponents, to consider H2H anything other than idle speculation (not trying to sh*t on your thread btw, it's good fun), especially from vastly different eras.

However, as you've asked and Napoles and LMR arent from vastly different eras, I'll speculate.

Griffiths was prime vs LMR and past prime vs Napoles, so I cant read to much into it. But, on the basis the worst I would make Napoles vs LMR prime for prime at WW is 50/50, and i consider LMR the bigger WW, on a H2H P4P (is that a thing?) list, I'd pick Jose.

 

Moore but no Charles?

 

Eder Jofre?

 

1. Jones
2. Mayweather
3. Robinson
4. Crawford (140)
5. Shakur Stevenson
6. Ali
7. Michael Spinks
8. Mike Tyson
9. Oscar De La Hoya (140)
10. Whitaker (135)
11. Duran (135)
12. Pacquiao (140)
13. Inoue (115)
14. Hearns (154)
15. Rigondeaux
16. Leonard (147)
17. Lewis
…Moore, Charles, Bivins, Harold Johnson, Donaire @115

Edit: Andre Ward at 168 can go anywhere in the list

 

I'm more convinced than ever that I won't do a H2H list. I'd tie myself up in knots. I get your logic, you're only going off footage you've seen, which is fair enough. Charles beating Moore comprehensively in their series, when at 33/34 and with c.100 fights I have a hard time seeing Moore as green, suggests you'd rank them otherwise if more footage existed.

 

I'm not getting into how Charles would do against those guys, but I will ask, how do you think Michael Spinks would do against them? Surely that methodology would also disqualify him. And personally, I think it would be more prudent to take into account how he'd do at 160? I'm satisfied he's as good as anyone there was if he can beat Charley Burley on two weeks notice. And what about at light heavyweight? Surely he's at least among the top there too.

The footage thing is a fair point.