Whose fall was greater, AJ or Wilder?

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  1. Mr Stagger Lee

    Mr Stagger Lee Active Member Full Member

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    AJ, but a lot of the blame should land at his promoters door!
     
  2. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua, because his fans (who have largely abandoned him now) hyped him as the UK Mike Tyson who was going to seek and destroy everyone in the division. Many of us knew better because his flaws were apparent, but he never has been the same since the Ruiz fight. I guess losing his mystique in a massive upset is the thing he and Tyson have in common. ...

    Wilder generally was regarded as a one-trick pony destined for some great fights and some horrific defeats. I've been following him since his AM days and tbh he has achieved more than I thought he would. He has improved a lot considering where he started. He never was or will be a boxer, but "to this day" he tries to knock out everyone and doesn't quit.
     
  3. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    There is more to Wilder than meets the eye and he is always dangerous and will take a beating.

    AJ is always one punch from getting chinned & is exactly what you get on the tin a big dumb bodybuilder who'd get absolutely trounced by a Fury.

    AJ deep down knows he is flawed and it eats away at him now accepting the fact he can't improve. Wilder is delusional and borderline a mental patient unable to accept anything but his own reality

    People will finally understand the levels at HW once Fury deals with Usyk properly.

    Fury & Joyce are the cream. Wilder & Usyk are the custard. AJ & the rest look like custard in till they get dropped onto the floor and splattered everywhere.
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, the #1 rated Wilder is facing the #2 rated Ruiz next in a final eliminator next to face the winner of Fury-Usyk for the World Title later in the year.

    And Joshua is fighting the unrated Jermain Franklin next in hopes of setting up a domestic showdown with the IBF's #10 rated Dillian Whyte at the end of the year.

    So, there's your answer.

    Falling from WBC champ to WBC #1 contender isn't that drastic of a fall.
     
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  5. 007 373 5963

    007 373 5963 Active Member Full Member

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    AJ fell harder. AJ has lost to two different people, one a slow, fat blob, and the other a natural cruiserweight - twice. Wilder lost to the best heavyweight out there, and yet Wilder still managed to knock down Fury multiple times. So Wilder at least put up a solid fight against the very best. But there's nothing positive you can point to about AJ's losses. He just got exposed.
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Anthony Joshua's was a bigger fall. Everyone believed that AJ would fight a unification against Deontay Wilder, but AJ was blown away by Andy Ruiz, then badly outpointed by Usyk. Wilder ran into Tyson Fury, who bested him.
     
  7. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It would be even if AJ only had the Usyk losses but Ruiz isnt a top fighter so that hurts him. It's strange but these guys losing hasn't taken away any lustre of a potential fight between them. If anything their vulnerabilities makes it more intriguing to me.
     
  8. Keldan

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    Wilder gave out when he couldn't stand anymore. I admire his bravery and self belief. I don't think AJ has that level of fight in him. I'm not really a fan of either guy but I probably respect Wilder a little more. I think AJ has lost the killer instinct abit. I still enjoy watching them both.
     
  9. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    AJ and I dont think its that close to be honest.

    AJ was rated higher than Wilder, and lost by knockout in one of the biggest upsets in recent boxing history, to a short obese guy.

    Wilder was rated lower than AJ, and lost to the best heavyweight on the planet in fights that had people raving about the action and heart and power on display by Wilder.

    Wilder stained his name quite a bit in the aftermath of those losses, but so did AJ against Usyk, and many people (not me) feel he actually quit in the first Ruiz fight.

    Given where they were rated before they lost, and who they lost to, and the manner of loss, and how they are viewed at today relative to before they lost, the answer is pretty clearly AJ, imo.
     
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  10. BCS8

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    Has to be Joshua.

    We always knew Wilder was a one trick pony and that he was going to crash and burn sooner or later.

    AJ getting the stuffing beaten out of him by a short fat Mexican that just came in from the buffet table was shocking.

    Joshua is much more technically sound than Wilder and he really shouldn't have gone to pieces like he did.

    Usyk and Fury beating either is not a great surprise tbh. If Usyk had handled Wilder and Fury had handled AJ both would have been predictable outcomes.
     
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  11. markclow

    markclow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I cant wait to see Wilder vs Ruiz.

    Then we will really see how good Wilder is.
     
  12. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    At this moment in time Wilder is in a better place than Joshua career wise but that could change as we know as more fights go by. Joshua did revenge his loss to Ruiz but what will never be forgotten is that Joshua flat out quit in the first fight . For me even with all Wilder’s BS over the years for his losses to Fury,Joshua quitting to Ruiz is the biggest fall between the two of them so far .
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  14. Sallywynder

    Sallywynder Member banned Full Member

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    AJ. Dont think he ever had a fighters heart. Then he Subconsciously quit as well. 'No mas'..
     
  15. Bofo24

    Bofo24 hobbyist Full Member

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    Anthony Wilder fell harder than Deontay Joshua.